No E2E-encryption? Can't find any info about it. Unencrypted = big nope. Looks good otherwise :)
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Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Discord isn’t E2EE either. Having data under your control even if not encrypted is a big win.
why use this over the hundreds of messaging platforms that can be self hosted and have e2ee
Calls are end-to-end encrypted.
Also completely new with no other contributors. Stay the fuck away from this until its been in development for a while and someone reviewed the code.
I believe you are correct, but this is still very early into development. Hopefully this gets added at some point
Keep in mind that this project is likely vibe coded, or at least seems very AI assisted. (Copilot is mentioned in the .gitignore file and this was built by a single person in about 4 months)
A bunch of security issues have already been opened.
Edit: @just_another_person@lemmy.world already mentioned this, my bad. 😄
And I got downvoted into oblivion for bringing it up 🤣
Thanks for the warning.
While I appreciate the effort devs put into making open source alternatives to a closed source app, the naming convention is really starting to get irritating...
Discord splits out to
- Armcord
- Legcord
- Now Sharkord
YouTube has
- InnerTune
- Which turned into OuterTune
Libre-this, Libre-that, Libre-cock and balls.
...I would love for devs to separate their software's name just a little bit more from the thing they're trying to replace. Please. Just be more unique. The name can still have a nod to what it's replacing and not just be a partial modification to the original name.
Reminds me of the guy in that show Silicon Valley who was basically a plant / spy (Jianyang?), and his grand visions for all his apps were creatively named:
"Chinese Facebook, Chinese Instagram, Chinese Twitter. . ."
Lol
Libre-cock and balls
libre adjective
With very few limitations
Datcord
Stoat.chat, anyone?
Tried a few months ago, the documentation for self hosting was lacking lots of info and now I can't even find it...
Yeah, I lade my acc a year ago and iirc they didnt have voice chat then. Now they seem to have better permissions for channels, vc and video/screen sharing around the corner. Only thing Im lacking is fediverse type of instances so we can only pray that will be developed one day. As of now idk what the status on self-hosting is but ive seen the devs link alot about it in their official server
Their registration process is currently hugged to death. Can't receive verification emails.
Yup, saw some stats from screenshots on there, their mail service had a cap of 300 mails monthly and it blew up to over 50 000. Verification/mail servers went up again yesterday at 4am CET but still seems like the authentication servers are pretty overrun.
Oh woah, didn't realize it was self-hostable. I'll try it out!
Haven't had a chance to really look into it, but there's also spacebar chat which is an open source selfhosted reimplementation of the discord backend that can be used with existing discord clients and bots and stuff. Which depending on how solid the rest of if is, could really help existing discord people move with less effort.
Aside from
- iso27002 violations
- FHS violation
It looks good!
I honestly didn’t know what these were.
These are very simplistic but iso27002 violations are security procedures not being documented properly. The FHS one refers to not following the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard on Unix‑like systems.
Why does the second one bother me more?
Why use this over Matrix?
The user experience for matrix is absolutely dog shit. Anyone who says otherwise is huffing copium.
I have been setting up matrix servers and testing every desktop and mobile client. I cannot present this to my discord group as an alternative.
As much as I want to love matrix, it is a huuuuge pain to set up & maintain.
Not really, been running Synapse for 5ish years and I barely spend any time on it. Once you configure it then it just works
Drop-in voice channels are a requirement for a discord alternative, Matrix does not have them. AFAIK you still need to call an entire channel to start a voice chat.
Im surprised as how many people discount this feature. Sometimes I sit in voice chat in my small Discord server alone for hours because nobody would show up if nobody was around.
We're all adults with jobs and responsibilities and shit, we don't want to have to dial people in to shoot the shit late at night. That would feel like a chore.
An alternative with no drop in voice chat is a non starter for my group.
I think it comes from the fact that a lot of communities and projects use Discord basically like they would with IRC, with voice chats often not even existing in some servers. I have to assume the people who recommend Matrix are only ever in that kind of server.
I'm in 2 or 3 servers with different friend groups and of course each one is full of friends of friends of friends. Even the smallest is over 30 people, but I only regularly join VC with 3-4. If I had to call all of them to be in a voice call I would literally never do it.
Same goes for chats, in Matrix the closest things to channels and servers is rooms and spaces. The difference is that you don't join a space, you just view rooms in the space and join them. Most of my servers have a ton of different channels for different things, I want to be able to see what happens in all of them without having to join each one, announcing to them that I've joined.
I like Matrix for FOSS project discussions, but I don't think it'll ever be the right pick for just hanging out with friends.
This is so vibecoded 🤣 Nawthx
Based on what? A quick peek and I didn't see any of the stuff I expect from LLMs
Less than a 4 month commit history and one dev. Not impossible maybe, but sure is suspect.
I've built projects of the size in 5-7 months before we had LLM or ML coding tools.
With tabbed completion (Which most devs enjoy), and before full LLM code gen, 4-6 months.
With llm assistance, not vibe coding, it's possible to build projects like this in 1 to 2 months without sacrificing quality or safety. If you are an experienced engineer and have built projects like this before. A lot of these are boring, boilerplate, stuff.
So the time spent doesn't necessarily say that it's vibe coded but if this is an inexperienced engineer then it very well might be and may be full of holes and issues.
Absolutely not impossible for a skilled dev with lots of free time. This is still an Alpha after all.
Completely agree. If this is a skilled Dev who's built products like this before and you can build something like this in your afternoons and weekends in like 6 months without LLM tool assistance.
With basic assistance you can definitely cut that time down to 4 months or less easily.
And if this is a full-time project, you can probably get it out the door in 1 to 2 months with llm assistance. (Not vibe coding, two very different things)
Building the full stack of a functional real-time voice and video comms system as a lone dev is not a trivial undertaking.
Even if they put 40/wk or more into it, I'd still be impressed. Like I said, not impossible but these people are rare.