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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It would not know what hell is, just that humanoids are enemies.

[–] Twelve20two@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

How to tell when scientific research doesn't have to worry about oversight.

Is this how the Borg began? Suddenly makes more sense with the outfits.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 days ago (7 children)

That's fucked up though. What happened to bioethics and review boards?

We don't understand enough about human consciousness to say that those cells aren't sentient. We have no idea what sort of experience, if any, they're perceiving.

This is not okay...

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

thats not nearly enough cells to have an internal experience, they're fine.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

We don't know enough about human consciousness to know that for sure. Plenty of animals have fewer braincells than humans, but we don't know enough about their consciousness to say whether they have an internal experience.

That's what I mean. It's hubris to assume we can culture human braincells in a petri dish just because there's a lack of evidence one way or the other whether it's aware.

[–] TechLich@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

There's a lack of evidence for anything not being conscious.

Neurons work by generating electrical signals in response to stimulus (either electrical inputs from other neurons or physical/sensory inputs activated by light or touch etc.) and they do this in a physical way.

If they're conscious, then there's a pretty good chance that power plants are conscious, computers are conscious and pretty much everything else in the world is conscious.

I'm not sure there's any requirement for consciousness to include "human-like reasoning" or "understanding" for it to have some kind of experience and perspective or awareness. Humans make a lot of assumptions about the world to make it fit the patterns we're used to.

A cluster of neurons trained to play doom might have consciousness but it's not likely to think like a human, just like a rock or a plant or an ant or an iPhone might have consciousness.

Whether it's ethical to squash an ant or turn off an iPhone or stimulate a lab-grown neuron depends on your ethical framework and your philosophical worldview.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think there's a lower limit of complexity for sentience, based on memory-persistence, self-firing, and self-recognition. I think there's no need for moral concern for non-sentient things. (But, that's just my ethical framework and philosophical worldview; the only "evidence" I'm at all aware of is thin and vague.)

But, as far as having a subjective experience, I think that might go quite small and alien including fungi and plant or even certain sub-cellular structures. Probably anything that maintains a border and internal homeostasis including parts of the bodies of larger experiencers could be having an internal perspective -- and any human words applied so those experiences would tell you more about human bias than the experience.

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In my view, although I am neither a neurologist nor a philosopher, things should absolutely scale with neuron blob complexity, and it should do so in a non-linear way. I dislike harming an animal with a complex brain like mammals, cephalopods etc. much more than I dislike harming the equivalent nerve mass in insects, for instance.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 2 points 1 day ago

That's also the way I feel, but I think that's probably human bias and closely related to the evolutionary pressure behind my mirror neurons and how strongly they trigger correlates with outside sentient phenotype.

I think if I knew what it felt like (if anything) to be an ant colony, I might have different views around the causal use of boric acid (and related) to keep them out of human spaces.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm no scientist but I'm pretty sure we know enough to say there's no consciousness at this level. Consciousness as we know it is pretty fragile.

There may be a point if this is scaled up that could be a concern....

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[–] DokPsy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

I'd say they're experiencing being doom guy but that's just a guess

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[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe this will lead to San junipero for real

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Special place in hell
Playing DOOM

I see what you did there. Top marks, no notes

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