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[–] Bitflip@lemmy.ml 14 points 7 hours ago

Figures, sorry. 

[–] Delusion6903@discuss.online 22 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I really don't remember the last time Firefox crashed on me and I've been using it for many years

[–] amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Yeah same here. Sometimes I think some people either have no clue how to use a computer or they do it on purpose and then complain.

[–] datavoid@sh.itjust.works 46 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Technically every that happens on a computer is a bit flip 😏

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 20 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.ca 18 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 1 points 4 hours ago

Indignant bystander: "fucking whore!"

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 42 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I flip my bits looking at porn using FireFox and that shit almost never crashes 🤷‍♂️

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[–] PokerChips@programming.dev 0 points 7 hours ago

The other 90% can be contained with containers and temporary containers and tax suspendet

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 114 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Firefox kept crashing on me a few days ago. Decided to run MemTest86 and sure enough. Bad RAM.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 99 points 1 day ago

Ouch, my condolences to your wallet

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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 68 points 23 hours ago (33 children)

Guess Linus was right again to only use ECC RAM.

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[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 21 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (5 children)

What makes Firefox more susceptible to bitflips than any other software? Wouldn't that mean that 10% of all software crashes are caused by bitflips and it just depends what software you are running when that happens.

[–] toddestan@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

Programs that use more memory could be slightly more susceptible to this sort of thing because if a bit gets randomly flipped somewhere in a computer's memory, the bit flip more likely to happen in an application that has a larger ram footprint as opposed to an application with a small ram footprint.

I'm still surprised the percentage is this high.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 16 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

This checks out with Linus Torvalds saying most OS crashes across linux AND windows are caused by hardware issues, and also why he uses ECC RAM.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly yeah it's 100% checks out.

I have device that has ECC ram and I can keep it online and applications running for well over 18 months with no stability issues.

However, both my work computers and my personal computer start to become unstable after about 15 to 20 days. And degrade over the course of 1 to 2 years (with a considerable increase in the number of corrupt system files)

Firefox and chrome start to become unstable after usually a week if they have really high memory usage.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Can confirm, my linux server with ECC RAM has 1040 days of uptime now without a single issue.

[–] spizzat2@lemmy.zip 37 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think they're arguing that Firefox is more susceptible to bit flips. They're trying to say that their software is "solid" enough that a significant number of the reported crashes are due to faulty hardware, which is essentially out of their control.

If other software used the same methodology, you could probably use the numbers to statistically compare how "solid" the code base is between the two programs. For example, if the other software found that 20% of their crashes were caused by bit flips, you could reasonably assume that the other software is built better because a smaller portion of their crashes is within their control.

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[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 70 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is how dev humblebrag sounds like.
Our app is so stable only random hardware events like bitflips can crash it.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 19 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

LOL, nah, Firefox isn't that stable. If 10% of crashes were caused by bad RAM, it means 90% were still caused by something else.

(My install regularly gets a memory leak that eventually makes my system unusable, BTW. I don't think it's necessarily the fault of Firefox itself -- more likely Javascript running in tabs, maybe interacting with an extension or something, and some of the blame goes to the kernel's poor handling of low memory conditions -- but it's definitely not "dev humblebrag stable" for me.)

[–] Liketearsinrain@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

A lot of these crashes were caused by third party security software injecting code into firefox. There was also some malware, and utilities like driver helpers.

I don't have precise numbers, but you may be able to search for it.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 19 hours ago

10% of all crashes is definitively a brag. Crashes due to faulty hardware/bitflips is rare rare, generally I would expect that percentage to be less than 1% in any complex app

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