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Electron apps are ruining the Windows 11 experience, and even the JavaScript creator has warned against ‘rushed web UX over native,’ but it doesn’t look like that will change Microsoft’s plans. In a post on X and other places, Microsoft reaffirmed its commitment to AI in Windows 11 and encouraged Electron developers to consider using AI in their apps.

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[–] ItsMeForRealNow@lemmy.world 16 points 11 hours ago

Yeah sounds like an AI agent decided that.

[–] finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 98 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (11 children)

Today it took almost 30 seconds for the context menu to appear when I right clicked on a file in windows explorer. I mean ffs, if I wanted everything to be a browser, I'd use a chromebook.

(Inb4 "install linux", it's a work computer and I don't get a say in OS)

[–] CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 42 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

Dude. Same. Windows 11 at work is fucking awful.

My laptop idles at 12 out of 16 gigs of RAM free.

Right clicking takes dozens of seconds, especially on a network share.

Did IT remove a letter mapped network drive? Haha! Fuck you! Windows hangs indefinitely if you open Windows explorer. You gotta fuck around in the registry to remove that shit.

The only good thing about windows 11 is tabs in Windows explorer. Which MacOS and Linux have had for a gazillion years.

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[–] reev@sh.itjust.works 13 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

Even in Edge, Outlook (a Microslop web app running on a Microslop browser) sometimes takes up to a minute to load on refresh. HOW!? God I hate that company.

[–] finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 hours ago

Lmao yup, the desktop app, 'new' outlook takes up to 30 minutes to load sometimes

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 hours ago

I've never had outlook take long, always done in about 5 seconds. Firefox too, which would be the last to optimise for.

[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Magnum@infosec.pub 6 points 11 hours ago

Install linux

[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Just like the good old days of running Windows 3.1 on an Intel 386sx. We've come full circle.

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[–] allywilson@lemmy.ml 14 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This sentence reads like Microsoft is the inventor of Javascript:

Electron apps are ruining the Windows 11 experience, and even the JavaScript creator has warned against ‘rushed web UX over native,’

So there's 3 things, either they meant Typescript, they are very wrong or they're quoting Brendan Eich and not attributing it to him.

[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago
[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 1 points 6 hours ago

Just build Electron native or something, christ.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 112 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Microslop Winslop 11 with Electroslop

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 31 points 15 hours ago
[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

If you don't want to write native code, then make a PWA. At least those don't run a separate copy of chrome for each program.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 8 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

PWAs do have severe limitations though… i wish it wasn’t; i love PWAs but they’ve been massively hamstrung by the big players. sadly, they’re not really comparable other than for basic apps IMO

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 57 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (10 children)

The one thing Apple has done an amazing job of over the years is providing a solid, clean, common application framework for all of their systems.

They've fucked it up recently, but basically, 90% of the time you'd get the same consistent interface design across all apps, with common design language and iconography and accessibility features. They aggressively deprecate so you have to keep that $100 dev fee rolling, but the experience has been good for the the better part of 20 years (post carbon & X11, pre-liquid ass, the cocoa years).

If everything on Windows is a vibe-coded web app then everything is going to look like different, feel like shit to use, and perform like shit.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 33 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

If everything on Windows is a vibe-coded web app then everything is going to look like different, feel like shit to use, and perform like shit.

I am happy to report: Windows apps that look different, feel shit to use and perform like shit are already available!

E.g. Teams, the CPU warmer from hell, was rolled out to Windows long ago. It was coded for Electron and couldn't even integrate with Microsoft Windows' taskbar popups. They had to fake one by creating a window that moved itself up from below the screen. Did this break when you changed resolution? Yes it did. Did it break when you moved the taskbar? Yes it did. Did it break when- YES IT DID

[–] batshit@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago (8 children)

The one thing Apple has done an amazing job of over the years is providing a solid, clean, common application framework for all of their systems.

iOS doesn't even have a universal back button, every app has their own way of implementing it.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

If your app uses NavigationView, like 80% of apps, you get a back button and swipe gesture for free.

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[–] Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Not that I'm interested in any of those apps, but wouldn't that mean that it makes it way easier to port them to other OSs (except maybe of the AI part)?

[–] Barracuda@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 hours ago
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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 29 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (10 children)

Lack of constraints has killed everything. I hope all the RAM and storage becomes unusable people are forced to work with 3mb again.

[–] MirrorGiraffe@piefed.social 17 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Nah, they'll just push for streaming compute power and charge you once more!

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago

I'm just waiting for their reaction when everyone is supposed to use cloud desktops and the average application assumes the user has 128 GB of RAM.

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[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 29 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Spontaneously I had the idea of entering this forbidden word into a browser, just to see what would happen:

microslop.com

The result was truth, and nothing but the truth, I can assure you :-)

[–] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, it’s good. The link to microslop: https://microslop.com/

[–] JayGray91@piefed.social 5 points 9 hours ago

Idk why but this is sort of funny to me.

[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 14 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I'm pretty anti webtech but even I've written GUIs in wails. I hate electron so much, but what makes it worse is that there are so many better options. The people that keep pushing it are stupid*

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Not stupid. Lazy. Too lazy to learn something new. “I want to use the same tooling for everything “. Ok champ.

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