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[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 193 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's so infuriating... I occasionally do astrophotography and it's getting to the point where any long exposure just has satellite streaks everywhere... Fuck Musk.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 78 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I remember just 10 years ago using a special app on my phone to alert me of any potential satellite flares so I could run out and catch them.

Now I can't look at the night sky for 2 minutes without seeing one.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 53 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You can actually see some in broad daylight. I was shocked one day looking up and seeing one (white dot in the picture, verified with sat tracking app).

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 120 points 1 month ago (7 children)

LEO satellite internet service is life changing for people who live in underserviced, rural, and remote areas - but it’s a tragedy that it’s controlled by billionaires and the USA. Growth at all costs mindset cannot accept that they should exist only as an ISP of last resort, so they’re servicing urban areas and planning data centres.

[–] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 59 points 1 month ago (8 children)

It would be better to support public fiber infrastructure (through PUDs) in almost every way. I know not all remote areas can be reached with fiber, but most rural areas can be. My county has done exactly that with the rural portions - they focused on rolling it out to underserved rural areas first (even though it was more expensive to do that up front). Now, those rural areas have gigabit fiber and they didn't have to pay tens of thousands to wire it up to their homes.

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[–] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 88 points 1 month ago (8 children)

LEO satellites decay very quickly every one of them will burn up in the atmosphere within 10 years. They need to be replaced constantly. As soon as spacex goes out of business these will all fall out of the sky.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Any way to help them do that?

[–] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No way that’s cheaper or easier than waiting

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)
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[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm wondering from a pure academic standpoint here honest. Like What about a laser?

[–] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Lmao I wish. Satellites and their components have to be “hardened” to survive extreme temperatures and radiation in space. There’s probably nothing on it you could disable with any laser you could buy. Plus there’s the matter of targeting them.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Destroying these satellites with lasers poses a similar problem to what happens when you light zombies on fire: the satellites are held in space by their momentum and the reduced atmosphere vs Earth's gravity. If you break the satellites into pieces via laser, then now you have uncontrolled and unpredictable space junk to deal with. Some of the pieces might return sooner, but what was once a concern is now a problem. Just like how a zombie at your door is very concerning, a zombie on fire at your door is an immediate problem.

Now, what could be interesting would be sending up another satellite that sprays black paint on the sun-facing side of other satellites. The energy absorbed and then exhausted could propel it towards Earth sooner. Maybe? I dunno, I'm just a simple country Fartographer, your honor.

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Polluting atmosphere doing so.

[–] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That’s fair but unfortunately nothing compared to the pollution from launching them

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[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

Don't count on it. These things don't just zip along in their orbits. LEO is crowded. They have to maneuver to avoid collisions... a lot.

Over the past six months, Starlink satellites have been increasingly performing collision avoidance maneuvers. According to a report filed by SpaceX with the US Federal Communications Commission (FCC), SpaceX broadband satellites were forced to avoid more than 25 thousand times from December 1, 2022 to May 31, 2023. And since their launch in 2019, the total number of maneuvers has reached 50 thousand.

If Starlink or any other mega-constellation company loses control of their satellites for any reason, there could be collisions. A recent study (Note: PDF) suggests that a sufficiently powerful CME could cause a runaway Kessler Syndrome in as little as 2.8 days if the loss of control lasts that long.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 81 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Elon Musk is such a goddamned literal supervillain that he managed to make the theme of Firefly wrong.

Apparently, they can take the sky from you.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Ads on the fucking moon are going to do it for me.

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[–] MuteDog@lemmy.world 65 points 1 month ago (8 children)

They might put a million satellites into orbit, but they're certainly not going to be orbital data centers. At least not as we currently understand data centers. The idea that space is cold and therefore a great place to put data centers that get hot is the idea of a stoned moron talking out of their ass. Space is a vacuum, you know what else is a vacuum, the part of your portable coffee mug that keeps your beverage warm or cold for ages, because vacuum is a crazy good insulator. Just because space is cold doesn't mean the heat from an orbital data center can dissipate into it. This dumb idea is never going to happen unless data canter technology improves to the point where they aren't environmental disasters anymore.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 58 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Billionaires don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves, not even their kids. And, we've all agreed to let billionaires run the world, it seems.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 57 points 1 month ago (24 children)

I was a space kid, followed every space shot since 1965, was a super fan of Apollo 11, I had a subscription to Nat Geo growing up, just for the Space photos.

So I can't believe I'm saying this: Maybe we've gone far enough for now, and we should have a moratorium on space for the next 50 years.

We should concentrate on Earth for awhile, dontcha think?

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I dunno, every engineer not working on space almost certainly ends up optimizing some sort of ad delivery system. The tech industry is almost completely enshittified.

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[–] vane@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 50 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Don't fall for the clickbait reporting here. Musk has a history of making comically exaggerated claims. There won't be a million satellites just like there wasn't a 4000 km/h train, self-driving tunnel network, intercontinental rocket transport or Mars colony.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

But there will be more satellites, and not just from SpaceX. They are already disturbing astronomers work, and it will only get worse.

There was no real debate about whether the world population is ok with it. Big corp has money, big corp acts for its interest and nothing else.

And I'm not denying the benefits of low-orbit satellites and having vast but lowly populated areas at last getting access to a fast Internet. I'm jùst pointing out that this whole thing is happening mostly out of control (or very very few control).

If you add that now international laws was shot and its body discarded in the toilet, also note that getting too much dependent on these satellites makes you very vulnerable to a military strike. I have no doubt that Russia, China and other countries (Iran?) are actively working on satellites destruction, with or without creating debris and giving us a Kessler syndrom. If you look at climate change, on-going life mass extinction, water scarcity, etc. there is little doubt that world leaders will make the worst possible decisions in the name of pragmatism (or religion, but it doesn't really matter).

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[–] Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 38 points 1 month ago

They did a previous study on what 65,000 satellites would look like and that was pretty bleak. Also this bit:

Latitudes near 50° Will Experience the Worst Light Pollution.

Thats a large chunk of Europe.

[–] THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well that wannabe nazi took everything else, so why not the sky?

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I thought they couldn't take the sky from me!

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We haven't even finished burning the sky and boiling the sea!

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[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This is how the night sky looks right now:

It's crazy to think that all this will be privately owned by ultra rich techno-fascists that are beyond any democratic control.

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[–] redsand@infosec.pub 27 points 1 month ago
[–] Didntdoit71@feddit.online 16 points 1 month ago

Elon Musk is a plague upon the human condition. Our best hope in the US, right now, is that a Starship launch goes horribly right and hits the White House during a cabinet meeting with Elmo as a a guest. Burn it black...pave over it and start over. Preferably after a mandatory prison-raping of all billionaires, especially those who loved Epstein. Fuck em all...let god sort em out.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Just need the Kessler syndrome to put a stop to it all.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 13 points 1 month ago (7 children)

There are roughly 15,000 total at the moment ? I wonder what that will do to animals and insects lives.

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

is already so bad. i do astro timelapses and it's all you see anymore. they stand out so much now, if the quantity gets 100x'd it'll be a nightmare.

it will blot out the stars...

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[–] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

everything the tech bros touch, dies

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[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 12 points 1 month ago

He never respected his fellow man, why start now?

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Now we just need to invent the Wall-E bot... We're getting so close!

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 11 points 1 month ago (6 children)

If this actually happens, I will dedicate my life to getting the funding to create a laser weapon that can shoot them out of the sky from Earth.

Then we'll play Space Invaders for keeps.

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[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

Maybe it's time to crowdsource a satellite killing satellite.

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