Programmer Humor

You would have to have an incredible grindset to become a decent engineer without actually enjoying any of it. You could become a shitty one just by passing tests, I guess. (And probably many people do)

I think it depends on the type of blue color job and company as well. Some of them, you're basically breaking your body to get some money and it could really hurt you in future.

I think having your own, or working for a small local business is great. Specially if you have a paid off house and aren't struggling otherwise.

god forbid well-off parents want their kids to be financially secure...

And AI is going to put that into overdrive.

For a little while, I helped with some intern and recent grad interviews and holy shit some people didn't have a clue. Had one guy on a remote interview that had a friend there helping him answer questions. It was obvious because he didn't even mute his mic and we could hear them. And it was extra pathetic because his friend wasn't even feeding him anything useful, like Bevis was helping Butthead with a software engineering interview.

We had a short break and when we resumed, he had at least figured out to mute his mic between questions (not that that helped, as muting yourself frequently when you're one of the main speakers in the meeting alone is a red flag without some reason that should be obvious when it isn't muted). Only resumed because I was fairly new to interviewing, if I got one of those today (and still did interviews), I would have ended it early.

diluted with a bunch of money-hungry STEM’s who were never even that good at engineering.

That's all the STEMs now. The actual competent ones are on Wall Street.

Why should you get a raise? You're terrible at your job!

Not a single downvote, and you call yourself a downvote hunter smh

Maybe that's the monthly pay

That's not that outrageous as a higher-level IC in a big tech company in a big city. But if you're that senior you're not questioning why you became an engineer.

Eh, that looks like typical take home for a staff level engineer in a big city.

Edit: Assuming they get paid every two weeks, that’s an annual take home of $161,122. Depending on state taxes, insurance coverage, 401k contributions, dependents, etc, that’s a base salary of $200-250k. Which, yeah, that’s what I budget for a staff salary.

If that's monthly pay, that's at or below average.

If that's bi-weekly......fuck I need to up my engineering game.

Lockheed Martin

Check levels.fyi. 400-500k+ isn't unusual for senior and above positions in US HCOL areas at competitive tech companies. Often this includes RSUs which can have downsides but are usually ok

Or comparing European vs US wages
At least we don't have to deduct 45% of our wages for the eventuality of needing a doctor and also walking 10km with a broken leg to avoid an ambulance ride.