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[–] rmrf@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

This is why gamers should reject kernel anti cheats. A single dev at a single company that requires one could read them as easily as any other file. I'm not exaggerating, unless I'm misinformed

[–] E_coli42@lemmy.world 1 points 10 minutes ago

Just use a separate boot for games

[–] afporritt1001@lemmy.today 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Fuck Microslop Fuck windows 11

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 18 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

This is sort of like saying "I leave my valuables in plain sight by my door because it has a lock on it and door locks are trustworthy." I'm not super into cyber security and stuff but it seems like one of the most common problems is programs managing to get access to memory they shouldn't have access to. It seems to happen all the time! Just like many locks for you door are trash.

[–] quack@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 hour ago

Defense in depth is a concept they teach you in cybersecurity 101. But that's expensive and time consuming, so you end up with shit like this.

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

It’s ridiculous. It presupposes that cybersecurity doesn’t value or employ defense in depth. Completely untrue.

Look at the attack vector researchers were trying to solve when they created OAuth2.0 w/ PKCE.

[–] jama211@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

And yet you and most people use a door with a lock instead of something more secure because... in general they do work well for the purpose they're trying to serve. Most criminals aren't master criminals, and master criminals aren't coming after your house.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Don't overthink the metaphor. These things are fragile and fall apart. The "door with a lock" is the "guarantee" (wink wink) that the operating system won't let programs see memory they shouldn't be allowed to. Putting your valuables in a safe instead of sitting in the floor would be encrypting the passwords in memory in the metaphor.

Also, cyber security and physical security are very different. With cyber security you need to understand that there are orders of magnitude more people looking for simple problems. Like a criminal checking every door in the world automatically, just looking for ones that are unlocked. Someone not being a "target for master criminals" isn't really applicable for this. Besides, that's a critique of what level of security an individual should have, but pointing out the flaw in Edge is a critique of something that claims to be secure that isn't.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I extracted IE6 passwords from hundreds of people when I was 13, for fun. If passwords are now being stored plaintext again, they are going to leak. Some of the people who steal those passwords won't be doing it just for fun.

[–] jama211@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

to be honest passwords on their own are on their way out as a form of security entirely for this reason - they're inherently weak no matter how they're stored as they're a single point of failure. we're even moving on from 2 factor to passkeys.

[–] pwxd@lemmy.zip 17 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

"Yeah totally secure! Just trust me!.." basically

This is LITERALLY isn't secure; they should atleast make it encrypted. This is just the same as using your notes app as password manager! But it's microsoft, and they're willingly giving your bitlocker encryption key to the FBIs for your drives. So I'm not surprised..

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I feel it may be worse than using your notes app.

A malicious attack doesn't know which notes app, nor the filename.

This has every browser opening the exact same passwords.txt in root.

[–] fira@lemmy.today 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Edge is on my computer, and I can't delete it, at least not with my limited IT experience. It's buried deep in the operating system, and it opens up seemingly randomly, I use firefox.

Looking online about getting rid of it, others described it as cancer.

[–] Benaaasaaas@group.lt 6 points 3 hours ago

It's not that hard, all you need is usb drive and choosing a distro (the hard step)

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 4 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Not sure how it works in Win11 but historically it has not been possible to remove Internet Explorer or Edge from Windows.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 26 minutes ago

That is an anti-competitive practice and illegal in truth. Against the laws of the United states, the ones that aren't enforced anymore.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 38 minutes ago (1 children)

I have refused the upgrade and I'm still on Windows 10 which also sucks by the way. The old 2013 ish operating system, I think windows 7, had a task manager that could actually help manage your computer even if you don't know everything about a computer.

And so much more, everything is going to shit especially in electronics. We seriously need just a complete set of Open Source or otherwise trustworthy alternatives.

Or a way to wipe the programming off of products we buy and install our own programming, but they would make that illegal if that caught on.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 2 points 9 minutes ago

Agreed.

I assume you have some good reason for running Win10 on your PC but just in case you do need to hear it, you can try Linux live from a USB drive and see if it works for you.

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The solution is to use Linux Mint.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 27 minutes ago (1 children)

I'm afraid as I am on my backup computer, and I worry that if I try to change over I will not do it correctly as has been the case every single time I've tried to download a program to accept zip files, or torrents I don't know what my deal is.

I really do want to switch over, I am working on fixing my better computer. More than anything I want a graphene OS phone.

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 2 points 18 minutes ago

Good that you want to switch, take your time, don't be afraid. There are many resources online for how to switch without accidentally deleting or losing access to things. I have been using Linux Mint for over a year now switching from Windows 10 and I haven't run into any limitations or issues. It's been a great learning experience and has overall lead to me being more technologically savvy. If you have any questions there are many places to discuss, feel free to ask.

[–] boogiebored@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

phew it’s an expected feature, thank goodness!!!

if they patch this, they should be dragged through the town square after that comment

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

It's an expected feature for me too, in that I expect Microsoft to be fucking useless at everything lol

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 40 points 1 day ago

Everytime I read a Microsoft headline these days

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's the added trust and security they always boast about

[–] Alberat@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago

trust is multiplicative, not additive

[–] BaraCoded@literature.cafe 9 points 20 hours ago

How will the NSA spy on you if Microsoft doesn't hand them your passwords?

[–] Blackdoomax@sh.itjust.works 6 points 20 hours ago

Trust me bro

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Safety and security are foundational to Microsoft Edge. Access to browser data as described in the reported scenario would require the device to already be compromised. Design choices in this area involve balancing performance, usability, and security, and we continue to review it against evolving threats.

"We value user safety and usability, but if you're already compromised you can go fuck yourself"

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[–] baronvonj@piefed.social 163 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Microsoft SSH agent persistently stores your unencrypted private keys in the registry. They're still there unlocked and usable after you reboot.

https://github.com/PowerShell/Win32-OpenSSH/issues/1487

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[–] uenticx@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

M365 chat also fetches a copy of whatever secured file links you send to each other. Goes without saying, but never use Microsoft products if you value security.

[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 4 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I haven't used a Microsoft browser or operating syatem in almost 25 years.

[–] osanna@lemmy.vg 1 points 5 hours ago

aside from when i was working in IT, same. My personal devices are linux or macos.

[–] amgine@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] jama211@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I've actually never met a vegan who acts like this.. linux users however

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 points 3 hours ago

True, and I've met many of both groups. Vegans are usually pretty chill.

[–] weaponG@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nothing in this timeline surprises me any more.

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[–] quantumvoid0@programming.dev 102 points 1 day ago (4 children)

does this company intentionally want users to stop using it? cuz day by day either theres a new windows bug or just shittier softwares

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