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: Everything I don't like and/or understand is Russian propaganda! I am very smart.
"defending itself" ... by attacking a different country that's not part of NATO.
Yes because history started in 2022. The NED and other American operations were never active in Ukraine funding groups with millions of dollars who then lead a coup in 2014 pulling Ukraine into the western sphere away from the neutral status it sought to keep under Yanukovych. The new government then didn't begin an ethnic cleansing campaign against the ethnic Russians in Ukraine especially those in the donbas which culminated in massive shelling for close to a decade killing thousands. None of this happened because history started in 2022.
2014 when the little green men invaded crimea and surprisingly in shape protestors appeared with the same rifles and grenade launchers only spetznas use? Plenty of people remember who started the shooting, or how a Russian missile shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.
None of this justifies invasion and war, even in the unlikely event that it's true.
"unlikely event that it's true."
The US funding of opposition groups via NED/USAID, the 2014 ousting of Yanukovych, and the Donbas shelling are all widely documented.
"None of this justifies invasion and war"
Defending a population facing ethnic cleansing is one of the few true justifications for just war. Although in this case the liberation of the Donbas is likely more of a happy side effect of the brutal struggle between Washington and Moscow in which the Ukrainian people have become an unfortunate chess piece since the West brought the banderites to power to use as a spearhead in said struggle.
But all of this is sort of beside the point I was trying to make that hasn't appeared to have landed. You said:
"defending itself … by attacking a different country that's not part of NATO."
This is reductionist to put it lightly. When a neutral government is replaced by one openly backed and funded by a military bloc that has spent decades encircling them, that very clearly constitutes a threat even if they have yet to or with how things are going never will become a true member (as the west pushes to fight to the last Ukrainian). Especially given the track record of Western funded groups/client states: The Mujahedeen, Isis, nuclear arms in turkey starting the Cuban missile crisis and so on.
If someone brandishes a knife at you you don't have to wait for them to actually stab you for it to be self defence when you punch them in the face. Also I want to make it extremely clear here to avoid strawmanning that this is neither an endorsement or condemnation of the invasion but rather pointing out that taking reductionist/absolutist detached from reality positions on it helps nobody and only detaches you from meaningful understanding.
If you can't explain why things happened the way they did or what's likely to happen next without relying on idealist (and likely racist) notions of some evil Russian soul or mass brainwashing (as many westerns are fond of doing) then you're not really worth listening to as you have no analysis or real understanding and you're only doing yourself a disservice isolating yourself from the reality of the matter and spreading confusion and nonsense.
by taking action against nato encroachment
What nato encroachment?
Don't forget Finland in 2023 and Sweden in 2024.
Oof yeah, this chart needs updated.
Is Montenegro Russian territory to be 'encroached' on?
And how does invading Ukraine help with that, exactly?
If western countries valued peace, they would recognize that it would be more diplomatically stable to have neutral buffer States between the Russian border and the NATO countries. They also could have done more to economically integrate with post-soviet Russia in the 1990s. the reality is that NATO countries don't actually value peace, but rather their capitalist leadership would rather "contain" capitalist Russia than integrate, so NATO expansion it has been.
Ukraine is not Russian territory, but is extremely strategically important from a military standpoint. Any discussion of NATO membership is going to be perturbed as an existential threat to Russia, this is an obvious analysis from both sides. There is no "defensive" benefit to making Ukraine a member of NATO, unless the purpose is to mantain an existential threat toward Russia.
I can't confidently say that my analysis above justifies a Russian invasion of Ukraine, but Putin obviously doesn't care what I think. I wish it would not have happened, but I understand what brought everything to this point, and now the Ukrainian people must suffer for decades because western imperialist forces are not interested in building a strong global peace.
adding ukraine to nato
When did that happen? I forget.
The Russian intervention stopped it from happening.
Right, so they invaded to stop something that might hypothetically happen in the future.
I'm sure that's a great consolation to all the people who have been killed.
No. The Russians intervened to stop Kiev's ethnic cleansing of eastern Ukraine, like Israel is doing to Gaza rn; nato encroachment was the background for their decision.
And annexing parts of it, bringing "Russia" closer to NATO's border…
the people in eastern ukraine wanted to join; that's why kiev started shelling them gaza style.
DID they? How do we know?