But the computer stuff will be so cheap on the second hand market!
Fuck AI
"We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!"
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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
LAN party in the alley when we lose everything!
Sadly no. AI hardware does not relies on the same fundamentals as consumer hardware.
Long story short AI stuff use Float 4 or 8 because accuracy is not a factor. Games or physics simulation use Float 32 or 64.
The "GPUs" used in these AI datacentres can't even do graphics anymore. They're now sloppy approximate matrix math machines.
SAS hard drives and server ECC ram incoming!
I'm pretty sure the thing about datatypes is wrong. From experience programming shaders the most typical float values were 4 bytes. The physics simulations are run on cpus typically, not gpus, but for graphics processing of all kinds, smaller floats are used. The conclusion is right though.
4 bytes not 4 bits, so 32 bits. You can't do graphics on 4 bits, that's way too small.
People replying to this with "muh enterprise" don't understand that I can still plug in a Supermicro server with the correct power input, spin up Linux, and do whatever the hell I want with my giga ultra 8x NVlink GPU 2X Xeon CPU morbillion dollar server.
Now even though it will be sold for a measly couple thousand dollars after the collapse, it doesn't mean I can't burn through my unemployment savings to have fun lol.
Nvidia and rest of manufacturers will set fire to abandoned data centers before allowing a big second hand market nuking their profits
They'll want to, but they don't own the data centers and the ones that do have no concept of sacrifice for loyalty. Those parts will be sold.
If you are being slightly serious, I hate to break it to you, but the HPC equipment that is taking up all manufacturing capacity has limited consumer use. It's just so power hungry, specialized, and heavy.
Its bound to fail once the shareholders/investors realize they've been duped
Economy doesn't need any help, i'll crash anyway, we're going to drive it STRAIGHT into the ground.
Even if they're slightly successful, AI will continue take a shit ton of jobs at the very least interns and corporate bound English majors.
It needs to fail and it probably will.
Anyone who knows anything about LLMs know that it can't "succeed" in that way. I have no doubt the powers that be will pretend that it does anyway, hurting and killing a lot of people in the process, for power and profit.
I'm hoping for "AI destroys Capitalist system, so emergency Socialist safety net is deployed." And then we pop out the other side and only have to work 10 hours a week, because AI does the rest...
You're imagining a change to the power structure of the world without having to fight and die for it. It has never worked like that.
The 8 hour day was the result of strikes that involved the strikers getting beaten and killed by the police.
In the land of the free ;)
Deepseek gives these examples of instances where socialist policies were implemented without violence:
- UK NHS (1948): Passed via parliamentary consensus post-WWII. No fighting.
- German Pensions (1889): Enacted by Bismarck as top-down reform. No violence.
- US Social Security (1935): Passed via legislation.
- Nordic Childcare: Expanded gradually via labor unions and coalitions.
I'm not saying that pacifist solutions are faster or more effective, but I don't want anyone I know to to kill or be killed. It is possible to change the world without starting generations-long, unforgivable blood fueds.
People clamoring for the system to finally fail but not organizing for the day after is not going to have a happy ending.
Considering AI is the tool of fascists... I don't see this one happening.
US politics were largely pro fascist until the 1930s. Then a depression and the war happened and Roosevelt rolled out the New Deal. Sometimes things have to become really damn bad before they get better.
I prefer the left way, but skipping the great depression 2 by heavily giving the profits to the people and not to a bunch of assholes.
It's going to be a little of column A and a little of column B. Also if AI succeeds then the economy will also crash.
I have fears that not only will the economy collapse, we are in for something much worse, that people will not believe that this is true, and will consider it fiction until they see it with their own eyes, if they will be still alive, of course.
If you're talking about an AI-powered surveillance state, well
I'm guessing the fuckin Youtube overlords deleted it now because I can't find it, but you can mix water / salt / thickener (iirc he used "thick water") connected to a power source to shoot an electrified stream of water and fry those fuckin robot dogs.
You're on your own with the drones though
I think we're due for another proper depression. Let the economy crash and burn
Yeah, "economists" love to ignore the inconvenient fact that by their own theories, economies are supposed to have periods of retraction to keep the whole thing stable.
So when decades go by where you cry "recession!" every time there are signs of that economic retraction happening, and kick the can ever-further down the road while inflation keeps rising and never goes back down because you're building a tower ever-higher out of popsicle sticks without reinforcing the base; what do you think will be the inevitable result?
"Infinite growth" has been a lie from the start. It's neither possible nor even desireable (cancer is literally uncontrolled growth). Yet anarcho-capitalists make these wild, dogmatic claims that infinite growth is how the economy is supposed to work.
It's like they'll quote the half of their (pseudoscience) theories of economics that supports their agenda, but treat the other half of those same theories as a sort of taboo.
Don't forget that the left path branches itself, split between massive job loss and human extinction.