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The moral "high ground" of Capitalism (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 month ago by Confidant6198@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml

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[–] ZarathustrasApe@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Indonesia is crazy high

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

The Indonesian genocide was massive, it's disgusting how little known it is now

[–] 5ha99y@lemmus.org 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (20 children)

Capitalism is dominant and longer used than Communism. The total amount of deaths is naturally higher. It doesn't tell anything about the actual amount of deaths communism could have, if it is active in the same capacity and amount of time, this plot would be more interesting.

And just to make things clear, I am not taking a position for any of the two. I just think this argument is not representative.

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[+] charlieBox@lemmy.zip -26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (25 children)

Are we counting the deaths from the the famine caused by the Chinese Great Leap Forward lead by the communist party?

Communism sounds good but it depends on who leading to make good decisions. I would not want a communist system under Donald Trump

In communism the whole makes the individual. In capitalism the individual makes the whole

[–] 1Malayali@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would not want a communist system under Donald Trump

But Trump is openly a Capitalist?
If current Trump could lead such a system, would that be a communist systne? Or would it remain as a communist system?

In communism the whole makes the individual. In capitalism the individual makes the whole

Wouldn't Communism have both, since it has dialectics?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Socialism/communism are systems, not individuals. Technically you could have, say, Cuba with Trump as president. It would be farcical, but one person alone is not the system.

As for communism having dialectics, that's not the right conception of dialectics. Dialectical materialism is the world outlook of communists, not a feature of socialist/communist systems.

[–] 1Malayali@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Technically you could have, say, Cuba with Trump as president. It would be farcical, but one person alone is not the system.

If Trump, as he is now, becomes president of the system, then that means that the system is likely in great crisis or decay.

As for communism having dialectics, that's not the right conception of dialectics. Dialectical materialism is the world outlook of communists, not a feature of socialist/communist systems.

Well, if dialectical materialism is used to reach communism, it will still be taught to handle other issues and maintain communism, right?

Would it be less needed after class contradictions are resolved? But there maybe other contradictions remaining, right?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Regarding Trump over Cuba, yes, it would indeed be a great crisis. He wouldn't get elected in the first place.

As for dialectical materialism, it's universally applicable. It's used for science, historical analysis, etc. Even after the class struggle is resolved, there will still be contradictions, as all motion and development is caused by contradiction.

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