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Euro-Office, Europe's open-source alternative to Microsoft Office and Google Docs, launches June 9 (nextcloud.com)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by beep@piefed.world to c/technology@lemmy.world
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cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/tech/p/1161559/sovereign-office-suite-euro-office-to-release-june-9

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[–] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 33 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I can't wait for open source file standards to eclipse the proprietary microslopX formats. I hope adobe is being challenged with this for PDFs too.

It was nice to have a single standard that everyone used until they started to really enshittify it. Will be real interesting to see how multinational companies handle file formats moving forward. If you do substantial business with europe then using these products is the only way to have true 1:1 compatibility, but if you do substantial business with the US the reverse is also true... except it costs nothing to load the europe open standard software, and it costs a fucking fortune to pay for microslop or heaven forbid try and leave their ecosystem. Google enterprise apps are no better. Everybody keeps trying to lock shit up so that nobody can compete.

Another thing I hope they target is hypervisors / VMs. Vmware, ahv and Hyper-V are really the only options in enterprise today and almost everyone is still on vmware but quickly fleeing after the broadcom purchase and subsequent highway robbery. I want to see broadcom burn to the ground, but nutanix is just as bad with the attempted lock-in. I use proxmox but i'm not about to start using that for prod use cases at work- but if the EU wants to pick it up and transform it into something a bit more enterprise grade i'd be thrilled - or some other free and open alternative.

Also looking for a third choice for smartphones without google or apple tendrils in it that will be compatible, and this seems more possible than ever to come to fruition despite ongoing attempts by google to lock down their ecosystem.

[–] codenamekino@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'll be the first to admit that it's reductive, but I can't help but think of this every time anyone brings up a single unified standard, no matter the technology.

[–] magikmw@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago

There is a standard, and Microsoft extended it with proprietary bullshit mostly to make it incompatible. They say they still use the same standard.

[–] hard_zero1@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

OnlyOffice and therefore EuroOffice does not support ODF natively. It can only be converted to Micrososft's OOXML for viewing or editing: https://helpcenter.onlyoffice.com/docs/userguides/document_editor/supportedformats.aspx

In the linked Nextcloud blogpost, the CEO of Nextcloud is quoted saying they would put full support of open standards like ODF "on top of the agenda" for the next release (after working on the desktop and mobile apps and integration features (maybe for this release)?).

[–] Railison@aussie.zone 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Any word on whether it’ll actually write ODF, even if not as default? IIRC OnlyOffice doesn’t write ODF

[–] K3LOE@lemmy.radio 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, looks like my Ubuntu copy of OnlyOffice only writes ODT or OTT, not ODF.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

ODF is the name of the formats not the extension.

[–] K3LOE@lemmy.radio 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

.ODF is listed as an extension for "formulae, mathematical equations" on that Wikipedia page.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago

People tend to mix ODT with ODF so I jumped to a conclusion, sorry about that.

OnlyOffice indeed doesn't support .ODF because it doesn't natively support any open document format and convert from MS formats to open formats (learned this today actually) and since MS Office doesn't have a math format like LibreOffice it's expected that OnlyOffice doesn't support .ODF at all. It's quite interesting. I didn't know that LibreOffice and OnlyOffice are fundamentally different like this.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

May I ask what are you talking about? Of course they support OpenDocumentFormat as you can see here. ODF is not the extension, it's the name of the formats.

[–] hard_zero1@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

OnlyOffice does not natively support ODF, only after conversion ODF files can be viewed and edited: https://helpcenter.onlyoffice.com/docs/userguides/document_editor/supportedformats.aspx The page doesn't say anything about writing, so it may not be possible

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago

Huh, didn't actually know that it doesn't support ODF natively. Thanks for making me notice this.

So that's why it shows MS Office files better than LibreOffice. It doesn't use ODF as its base.

[–] _lilith@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

"For a truly sovereign solution, it is also important to fully support open standards such as ODF formats, and this will be on top of the agenda for the next release.”"

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 3 points 1 week ago

PDFs have some standardised form in ISO32000. Most usable standards started life as a product which is both a good and bad thing.

[–] amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Have you heard about proxmox? They have an enterprise version too. I can't imagine what VMware or hyperv may have that proxmox doesn't also have...

[–] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I have a cluster already. The “enterprise” repo is functionally the same as the free one.

It’s ok. It works. The limitations and UX leave a lot to be desired.

I really don’t like the storage aspect. I’m not using ceph or anything like a DAS or SAN so I’m sort of limited to having identical hardware and configs on all nodes. Migrating from one node to another that doesn’t have identical storage naming convention seems to be impossible, and that is very strange to me. I just want to pick a compute and a storage available defined for VMs and for it to simply move from one named storage to another.

Really don’t like that there is no mechanism to live migrate LXC either, needs a reboot of the lxc. Totally fine for small scale home use cases but still very strange to not have the same behavior. A vm is a vm, storage is storage, take the snapshot and find a way to make it happen ffs.

Maybe a bit of this is just because I’m using prosumer/smb grade gear and I don’t have identical nodes hardware wise, but overall it is very strange. Stuff like not allowing watcher node VMs for HA unless you have an even amount of nodes, but why not let me setup two+ watchers? If I’m removing a third node to replace it I would rather have the watcher on standby until I shut it down or put said node on maintenance mode (don’t think this exists for proxmox, but the concept helps trigger loads of automation and things like DRS.)

VMware is so stupidly easy. I just want proxmox to be a bit different. VMware is totally dead to me, but it hasn’t had a ton of real changes or feature adds that I l would ever use in the past ten years. Hard for me to be so forgiving that proxmox has been around for so long and doesn’t live up to the VMware of ~2012 based on my remembrance anyway.

[–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Your storage issue sounds self inflicted.

Are you using random HSAs in each node or what? Not sure how you can otherwise not have das or san...

[–] amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am not sure what you are talking about. I have a an hpc cluster at work that I manage and I set it up with proxmox. 13 nodes with various VMs. If there is no pci passthrough on a VM I can live migrate it on any node without stopping it.i am not using LXC there so I don't know if that can be done or not.

I have used ceph but we still don't have the proper infrastructure for it at the moment.

[–] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

I am not sure what you are talking about.

i am not using LXC there so I don’t know if that can be done or not.

Yeah, it's an lxc thing man. Sounds like you exclusively work with KVMs so you wouldn't have come across it at all. They're containers that in the case of proxmox run using a bit of the host's files. LXD, a competing open source virtualization product, can run and live migrate LXCs. Proxmox devs know about the limitation at least as early as 2017 and in theory it's on some kind of extreme long running back-burner to enable LXC live migration.

My other VMs can migrate, though the storage thing can be a pain if you have a dissimilar node in the pool, but that's more of an engineering challenge. Proxmox does not hold your hand with practically anything and their manual pages offer scant advice in terms of best practice.

[–] pgo_lemmy@feddit.it 1 points 1 week ago

last thing missing in your post is a complaint for slow migration on a 1gbit link...

you can complain as much as you want because proxmox is not vmware or you can embrace proxmox and make the effort to move/update/refresh your knowlwdge on to the new environment.

[–] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can I use it here in Burgerstan?

[–] Lysergid@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You need to give up you personal data and buy €199/year subscription first. Special offer for Burgerstan

[–] Serroda@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

(Look inside). Wait, is this just an OnlyOffice fork? Why reinvent the wheel and not use OnlyOffice instead?

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Swapping US technological control for Russian technological control? I don't know to what extent the current solution is dependent, but it would be extremely naïve to just use OnlyOffice as-is.

[–] Crit@lemmy.wtf 4 points 1 week ago

Control I'd imagine, if upstream ever does something they don't want they can stop pulling the change downstream without having to migrate again to another tool internally, so easier to make that jump now ig

[–] cenariodantesco@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it's not clear to me from the article, is it right to assume that will also have the option of self host?

[–] hagelslager@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago

Nextcloud can be selfhosted, yeah. I've been doing that for years.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I'd be more excited to play with it but just like I haven't printed anything in years, I haven't needed an office suite in years. I just don't do any of that stuff any more.