- Demand to "protect the children" or else we'll do
- is not done because, well, it's impossible.
- Do whilst claiming "they gave us no other choice"
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What’s more likely, the prime minister is a clueless idiot who jeeps making blunder after blunder and is too stupid to even consider asking for advice from experts in the field, or he’s paid by terrorists?
Over reach dressed up as protection for children.
I don't have kids myself so can't say I understand how prevalent this problem is, but I can imagine it's not as big of a problem as what politicians are making out. Certainly not big enough that this can be the answer, even if this legitimately required a solution, such a solution would surely be a last resort.
Easiest solution is awarness. Teach the parents how to monitor their children and how to use parental control. They can offer classes for this.
Its just crazy the amount of stupid laws that poo up in place of covering for poor parenting lol
He knows this is impossible lol
Technology as a religion strikes again.
We can't possibly solve this problem the human way, with parent and children awareness and communication.
No, we must solve it with tech. Every problem must be solved with tech !
What a sad world.
If they don’t invent excuses to take tech away from people, for scanning everything , to force us using AIs which tell us the stories they want told, how will they retain power and hide their crimes?
I mean, I'm all for forcing big tech to provide better parental control tools. Because right now they provide the bare minimum that often locks you out of control... and it's a hassle to set up, maintain and manage.
Take e.g. Apple. To do any parental control you need an Apple account. Reasonable, to this point. But! To actually have any control, you need Apple devices. It isn't enough to log in through a browser, because you can't properly set rules, limits, block sites or apps, monitor communications, no, you need an iPhone or iPad or a Mac. You can't approve access requests if your child wants to go to a non-allowlisted website for e.g. school work.
Oh and if we're at allowlists and blocklists... no platform at the moment offers ANY kind of automated lists the parents can enable. They need to manually hunt things down and add them. So you either have your kid constantly pinging you to access resources, or you're constantly reviewing what they're visiting, searching for, etc., to block inappropriate content. And with how many porn websites there are out there that are specifically CLANDESTINE porn sites that at first appear generic kids games but if you go the right way, you find porn, is staggering.
Oh and one more thing. When are we punishing Google, Meta, etc., for allowing intentionally child-targeted adult themed ads and recommendations? Or did we forget how YouTube allowed incredibly disturbing content in ads and recommendations FOR KIDS (as in, literally injected into playlists meant for kids)?
Politicians are usually completely fucking clueless about the nuances of technology, but there’s something in the water in the UK that seems to make their pols reach for the stars in that regard.
There is a nice german word for such thinking. It's "Vollkasko-mentalität" - Vollkasko is car insurance which covers everything + mentality.
I also find it funny that any existing smartphones have to work in this system too. I'd like to see the performance of any filter technology on an Android 4 based device that hasn't seen an update or an replacement battery for decades. And what about feature phones?
I'd say let them catapult themselves back into analog times, it'll be fun to watch when they realize that filtering that requires opening letters like back in East Germany.
Covering for Peter Mandelson with a “save our children” campaign
If Apple and Google are sending kids nude images, then their parents are showing them porn by giving them phones.
Let me guess, the solution is age verification for everyone?
because it's not about the kids, it's never been about the kids. It's about collecting/harvesting user data, IDs, and tracking said user.
Age verification for social media isn't working. why? because people will simply just stop using it. now porn? well they figure everyone gets horny and loves porn so it's the next best bet to continue to try and collect said data.
We all know the EASIEST solution to this issue, it's like you set, parental controls. it's always been the easiest solution. always. but THAT doesn't collect a users data.
Look i'll be honest if all these governments and companies just straight up came out and said "ok, we lied, it's not about the kids we just want your data. that's it. we want it so we can track it and sell it. we need the easy money." I'd slightly respect them more for it.
Seriously how about this "you allow us to collect and sell your data and we'll give you a tax break or a cut of the profits from selling it. we'll make this an opt in thing" just do that. just be god damn honest.
The end result is further controlling people and surveilling them. Privacy is being murdered in record time.
Soon every person will have a mandatory telescreen in their pocket, linked to their facial recognition in a Palantir run 'government' database.
Easy, just send every parent who gives a minor a phone to prison. Problem solved!
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Obviously protecting children must always be a priority, the issue with this is, is that tech companies will understandably go for the easier option: force age verification system wide, without it, the OS might be extremely limited, and this opens a whole new can of worms IMO.
I wonder what would happen if those companies simply told the UK government it wasn't possible, and withdrew from the market?
Good riddance then
"We will change the law" means they haven't changed it yet. And this PM is so god damn popular in his own party, they are just trying to get his possible replacement in in an otherwise unnecessary byelection. This sounds decisive but isn't a fait accompli by any stretch of the imagination. The tech big guns will sound amenable to such a policy but will do fuck all.
Google actually already has a system to automatically detect and filter incoming nude pictures. It allows apps to blur then and you can then opt to view them. It's a separate application and uses locally running machine learning.
I can't remember the name of it and if it's just on Pixels, nor what applications it works with. Might just be for their own messaging apps or it might be more deeply integrated. If anyone is curious I'll try to look it up after work.
The point is they already have something similar to this they could maybe leverage.
Apple has the same system, just FYI.
Do they actually know how the technology works? They will have to scan everything inbound and outbound connections, basically managed devices.
OP do you know how technology works? Apple and google already do this to a degree. We've seen people get reported to the police for taking pictures of their own kids nude because photos are scanned on upload to icloud or google's photos. This isnt new its an expansion of existing norms
Dude everyone is aware that Google scans google drive, it is not your own cloud naturally they can do what they want with it. If you store your data on someone else's server naturally they can see what you store. We are taking about devices you own with android and ios this is completely different.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-plans-to-stop-children-taking-sharing-or-viewing-nude-images Britain will become the first country in the world where it is impossible for children to take, share or view naked pictures on their devices.
Apple already has the capability to alert parents if a nude photo is detected. They do this detection on-device.
Only for apple apps, it doesn't scan the entire device.
Messages, FaceTime, and AirDrop
Google has something similar I believe for Google Messages
Also they have to verify if the person using the device is a child if they want to implement this on the entire device.
We are taking about devices you own with android and ios this is completely different.
How is it different you have absolutely no idea how this will be implemented. Currently IOS and Android default to cloud storage and we know how many users stray away from the defaults. Both devices already check your photos against the CSAM database and scan your local photos so you can search via tags like "cat" and it shows all cat photos. Who knows, it may be local AI and completely private.
I do agree that most people probably don't change the defaults, but I believe that apple stopped the scan for CSAM years ago on iCloud.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/08/tech/apple-csam-tool
Also you forgot to account for apps like Signal which store the photos encrypted in their own database.
This is not as simple as scanned photos, currently apple for example can do this locally on their own apps. The problem is apps like signal.