MIT Study Finds Gas Cars Aren't Secretly Better For The Planet Than EVs, Despite What Everyone On Facebook Says : technology

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world -1 points 8 hours ago (8 children)

A second hand ICE car is still better than a new EV though.

We kinda solved cars 15 years ago as an ICE car from 2010 is almost indistinguishable from a new one. I'm waiting for my 2008 toyota to retire but it just keeps on going to the point where I think it'll last me 10 more years. I don't drive much but it takes e20 as fuel (heavily dilutated gasoline) and with CVT gearbox it's super cheap to maintain so I really don't feel like me upgrading to an EV would make any difference other than promote EV infrastructure.

My next car will definitely be an EV though primary because I expect battery tech to be much better by then.

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[–] bacon_pdp@lemmy.world 19 points 22 hours ago (10 children)

If only there was a YouTuber that covered this months ago…

Oh wait

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KtQ9nt2ZeGM

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 3 points 14 hours ago

Don't worry, they'll find something on YouTube that'll confirm their bias. They won't watch a 1.5h video though.

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[+] belochka@lemmy.world -12 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Efficiency of processes is different in every situation, including long-standing ones, like one area having plenty of seawater and some other area having just lots of sand, some places being moderate-temperatured and some like central Siberia with hot summers and cold winters, things like that.

Meaning that one can't say that gas cars are "better for the planet" or "worse for the planet" than EVs. Period.

This study is true for some set of conditions, but it's pretty clear that people referring to it will use it outside of the scope.

There are better arguments than unprovable claims. Say, EVs use "universalized" energy, that is, can be charged from the grid, while gas cars require different kinds of gas depending on the specific engine and regulatory requirements. EVs have electric machines in them, pretty similar to those in electric trains or whatever else, but that's not as important as less wear and more universality. EVs in theory should require less maintenance, but since these are usually new fancy cool things, their electronic components might have the common downsides of all new cars. Fire hazards are different between them. On the other side, gasoline can be stored more easily.

I mean, one would think civilization can exist without choosing just one.

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[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 hours ago

Sheesh

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (21 children)

Burning petroleum is one of the most destructive things you can do and it is absolutely common to do it. Everyday a single vehicles emits enough pollution to kill countless people. It gives them cancer and when combined with lead has resulted in hundreds of millions of deaths. It is absolutely insane people continue supporting this technology.

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[–] Eczpurt@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think I understand the argument against EV's for their electricity source very well. Isn't the electricity for the car being generated anyways? It'd be like saying your television is polluting worse than an ICE car or your hot tub/clothes dryer for a more power hungry example.

It takes some guy gasoline to truck gasoline to the electric pump and the powered gas station to fill your car with gasoline. Like am I missing something or are people arguing just to argue?

Unless this whole article was satire and it whooshed right over me.

[–] Attacker94@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

The general idea is that the production of the electronics is far more destructive than making an ICE drive system. I am not well read on recent changes, but there was a point where that statement was true, but even then the electronics weren't worse from greenhouse gas standpoint, just from other toxins.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 6 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

I'm less worried about heavy metals in dumps than I am about Earth becoming too hot for mammalian life. I don't wanna go back to dinosaur times.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today -3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

They probably were at a time when a disproportionate amount of R&D was put into them but I doubt Facebook understands this

[–] BigJohnnyHines@lemmy.ca 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

provably

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Hey look! Someone who's never made a grammatical error!

[–] username123@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 hours ago

Where!

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