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Burning Gas Pollutes So Much, Dirty EV Battery Manufacturing Evens Out In About 2 Years (www.jalopnik.com)

submitted 10 hours ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] mysteryhumpf@feddit.org 117 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (53 children)

Burning gas is so extremely bad that even throwing away your old ICE car and buying a new electric car is better than driving the ICE car until it „falls apart“. This was the research finding in Switzerland, but this result was so unwelcome that the research got hidden away. https://www.republik.ch/2025/06/11/amtliche-selbstzensur

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 26 points 8 hours ago (7 children)

oh wow I didn't know that!

would make sense to give more a lot incentives for EV buying if so!

[–] innermachine@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (9 children)

Socialize losses, privatize gains. I don't want my tax money incentivizing some rich asshole to buy an EV. Nobody that needs help buying a car can even consider an EV, their too expensive. The cheapest ev u can buy in USA is 30k, the cheapest ICE is 22k. And people that need help buying cars can't afford either. Only middle class + people are buying these things, and they don't need poor people's tax money to subsidize their purchase from a private corp. I'm all for evs but let's be honest the people buying them DONT need help buying them. Id rather see my tax money go toward renewable infrastructure or research on batteries and such! We can't keep relying on the private industry to fund research, in technology or in medicine or any science imo. But that's just my angry fist wagging opinion as somebody who refuses to spend more than 3k on a car because I'm not made of money. I'm not exactly poor, I'm a home owner under 30 and make around 60-70k a year depending on OT and bonuses. But if I went and got a loan on a Chevy bolt for 30k I would not be able to make my mortgage payments even with subsidies, so why should somebody who makes more get help buying a new car? Horseshit

[–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'd recommend buying used over new. Before Iran war bolts were going for $12k

[–] innermachine@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

That's still 4 times more than I have spent on my last 12 cars with exception of one crazy nice Audi I had that ran me 7500 lol. And I regret spending that much on a car, despite loving the 400hp fire breathing V8 under the hood. I honestly mainly drive motorcycles, which has been the cheapest way for me to reduce my carbon footprint. I get over 50 mpg on my cruiser and near 80 on my dual sport, and both my motorcycles + my Subaru + my jeep all cost less than one POS chevy bolt LOL. I understand I'm a special case because I work on my vehicles so it's very cheap for me to own a beater, if I didnt have the ability to make all my own repairs and have shop cost on parts and stuff i might consider an EV more strongly but its just way too expensive for now even factoring in what i spend on fuel and repairs.

[–] bequirtle@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I don't want my tax money incentivizing some rich asshole to buy an EV

I mean.. why not? I'd like if every rich guy had an EV instead of ICE. Less pollution is less pollution

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[–] ejs@piefed.social 15 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

UMich research cited in the article estimates a carbon dioxide emissions per year (using constant mileage typical per year) break even time between EV and ICE SUVs to be 1.6-1.9 years.

Promising. But, is carbon dioxide emissions the only environmental impact? Humanitarian impact (e.g. rare metal extraction labor conditions)? I’m not an environmentalist researcher/academic. I wonder how accurately just one emissions prediction portrays the full picture.

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 3 hours ago

There are sodium batteries without any rare metals in production.

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