Ok, don't buy Volkswagen. Got it.
Also, don't buy "connected" cars. FFS, if your car features rely on an internet service provided by the manufacturer, you are just begging for these sorts of shenanigans.
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Hmmm.
Is there Lemmy r/sipsTea ?
I said long time ago that EU really needs to focus on opening up the platforms. Force app makers to support de-googled phones. Force car makers to support de-googled phones. You can't become technologically independent if you don't control the platforms.
That's the thing tho they don't want that, they want more control not less. That's why countries can make e2e encryption illegal now.
All of this leads back to an old rhetorical question I've often asked. Why the fuck isn't the whole entertainment system and car connection just a standard touchscreen and communication protocol?
The fact that I need these proprietary patent-gated apps to use parts of my car, instead of just a driver that could work on any device with the right port, is overtly user-hostile.
Because the greed of corporations knows no limit. They sold you the (expensive) hardware, now they want to sell you the (specific, usually compatible but not really, and slightly buggy implementation) software. Can't do that with open specifications.
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Why they do this:
After the first three years, Volkswagen is charging ev customers €150/year to see the charge level on the app, remotely start the air conditioning, schedule charge and so on.
Any tinkerer is thinking "well, if I am paying this extortion just to see the charge level on the app, then I want to exfiltrate my data in home assistant or similar, getting better stats and so on"
So they blocked the API with Google play integrity signatures
Now, instead of spending money on engineering ways to block uncertified devices, they could have simply introduced an official API with rate limits and stuff.
The fact that they noticed all those "unauthorized accesses" it's prove that people just want to pay for a lightweight API access, not a 250mb app that takes 4 minutes to remotely start the air conditioning
After all, we're talking for €150/year for accessing the data of a €1 iot sim card using 0.0001€ of compute time. There should be enough margin for that.
Too bad the people in charge and developers of sensible mind are not the same people
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My car is staying dumb as long as possible it seems, I despise these tricks leeching into every new car these days.
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Hopefully this doesn't affect me
It does, unfortunately, affect you. Your van does not support GrapheneOS.
10/10, Would ride to the 1990 World Cup with.
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Class action for unilaterally modifying the agreement about feature access after the fact and to the detriment of the consumer.
There’s about 1000 companies to sue for this already
OK...?
Sue ‘em all!
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Cars didn't need apps in the 1900's and they sure as hell don't need them now.
Note it is very nice for me to be able to start the air conditioning in my electric car when it's 38C out before I leave my desk.
Other things are mildly convenient, like checking progress of charging, locking/unlocking doors remotely. It happens to be convenient to check problems, but that's only because the in-car system isn't very good, and I would happily take the in-car system being better.
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Also with the most recent update, the halo collar app no longer has access to Google satellite data IF you operate Graphene OS. I suspect Google is the culprit because the folks at Halo have no idea how to fix this bug
Judging by the error message: the map relies on Google Play Services (which, you can definitely install and run on GOS through the Graphene "App Store"). But installing Google bullshit kinda defeats the whole point of running Graphene. You could also revert to an older version of the app (if you had no issue seeing satellite imagery prior to the update).
Thanks for the tip!
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Volkswagen of all people.
After this fuckup: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/Q8ZAV9/
They should be the last ones to deny anyone else using privacy preserving tools.
(Hint the player has multiple audio tracks, there is a dub in English)
Thw Hitler aligned car company doing terrible things surprises you?
How are all these governments and companies managing to enshitify everything? Yet, when it comes to real problems like world hunger, child poverty, and exploitation, no one even blinks an eye.
No one makes short term profit off of solving world hunger, so it doesn't get solved. 🙈
It's all about spying now infact by 2027 all vehicles mandated to have facial and body scanners that watch you at all times.
Tech bros are taking over and they are building Bunkers because they know this isn't sustainable and once it hits a certain point people will be out for blood.
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This is highly misleading. Hopefully there's a link in the article to the original report on the GrapheneOS forums, where they talk about the app update breaking it on multiple platforms, not just GrapheneOS. It does not appear to be a block.
It's probably just using googles play integrity, that tends to break apps in pretty much in everything that isn't stock manufacturer android.
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Change it from they block GOS to they spy on you. Get it in front of as many people as possible. If they get huge negative press they’re more likely to change.
They literally murdered millions and were in the press about it. I think they don’t care about headlines anymore.
When XavDub contacted the German car maker, the company responded that GrapheneOS “is not an official Volkswagen offering” and advised them to contact their OS provider instead.
This is the only official word from Volkswagen in the whole article. To me, this reads less as "We are blocking GrapheneOS users" and instead "GrapheneOS is not something we give any official support" which I think is a key distinction.
It's not clear what's different in the update that doesn't work with GrapheneOS, whether it's an API call that doesn't work or if they've implemented the Play Integrity API - but I think this article is a bit sensationalist and everyone's reacted only to the headline.
Just another shitty company.
Holy crap I miss old times 2013 when nobody was even bothering and all bootloaders was unlocked by default no play integrity just do what u wanna do with ur own device
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Why does a car need an android app?
It doesn't need it, it will drive just fine without app connection, but it provides convenient remote access and control capabilities.
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Germans can't write code. Enigma, dieselgate, audi ev's, my cla 2026 needed 2 days to update MBUX. Why do you think they planned this ? You'll be fine after zthe next update.
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