still better than ios lol
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Came here to say the same thing. I'm very happy with sailfish OS since the first jolla phone came out (10+ years). I'm certainly not a power user though.
Gabe please make Linux mobile phone.
Nah, /e/os and GrapheneOS rule!
Just one problem. Both are still dependent on Google and Android-based. How sustainable is that security model when a company has the say-so over whether you get to flash your custom firmware next year, or the next year, or maybe the year after that?
I'm an /e/os user and all I can say is even though it sucks the least among its competition, it STILL SUCKS! Not to downplay the immense effort put in by the devs and maintainers of course. Providing a privacy-respecting phone OS to ordinary people isn't just a good deed, it's necessary for a vibrant and diverse digital society. But still, we can all strive for better.
Define, "sucks"
The complaints I see about custom OS the most:
- Bank or payment apps don't work due to Play Integrity API (blame Google)
- Some other Google apps don't work correctly (well... duh)
- Obscure functionality that is usually overlooked or intentionally ignored, but is a complete dealbreaker for that user.
My banking app works on GrapheneOS. It didn't even need any of the compatibility settings to be turned. My experience has been smoother than the Android shipped with the device. I barely use Google apps apart from yt and haven't found any obscure issues yet. Is GrapheneOS just really good compared to others or did I get lucky with my bank and the features I use?
My bank app doesn't work with Graphene, which is a pain in the arse, but not the end of the world. I mean, they still have a website I can log into.
i never experienced point 2 or 3 in all my years of using them.
the problem for me is usually integrity api.
By the way, do you know of any other OS except for GrafinoS that does not bundle any MicroG or other tether to Google? I like /e/os, but MicroG bothers me. Can it be uninstalled?
I'm not sure but afaik CalyxOS and LMODroid does that.
GrapheneOS has been working flawlessly for me for years. Highly recommend!
Yep, they put in a lot of effort into the security and open source stuff, but at least on Graphene, the bundled apps are severely outdated aosp apps, they don't even support material you, meanwhile current aosp apps do support it, as can be seen on Lineage. The calculator app looks straight from Android 5 or probably earlier.
Lineage has its own forks of most apps
Most, but there are exceptions, mainly the messages app, calculator, phone app, and keyboard that I know for sure.
I honestly couldn't care less about how the calculator app looks, and I'm sure you could find a more "modern" one on fdroid. The real problems are things like google pay not working (not a deal breaker imo, but would be nice to have)
Check out crDroid. I do not know how it's like to daily drive it, but afaik it's highly customizable.
Tfw your Phone has no ROM and the stock one is trash.
I am currently considering switching to a 3rd custom rom on my xiaomi since both of the ones I have tried while better than the stock one by miles, seem to have no activity surrounding them (one was last updated almost 2 years ago and the one I am currently on has been updated in october).
Just sucks that its notsuch a mainline phone rhat gets lota of custom ROM support.
If it is LineageOS you can always pick up the build by yourself and create your own images you can flash. Follow the Build for yourself Link the the respective device page.
Main problem will be getting the binary blobs needed for your device as it requires a rooted device or a trusted source.
I know that someone already did a lineage OS release(the 2 year old one). Need to check the github but is there a chance those blobs could be found there?
I’m only using iOS because android is worse. Neither of them make me happy. IOS is just less terrible than Android.
The problem with a Linux phone is that there’s no market for it, and developing one is only possible if you fundamentally change what a Linux phone means thereby ruining it but getting profitability and therefore carrier support and manufacturer profitability.
We don’t get what we want. They do.
There's also LineageOS after support. Still immutable done bad, but the toolset works.
Basically this. I use my phone as a tool and Linux phones don’t have the toolset for me to be satisfied. Like NFC payment, online banking and GPS tracking. Android does have the toolset but I’d like to keep my phone 5 years and longer. Currently rocking an iPhone 14 Pro and I plan on changing it with the iPhone 20 or 30 or however they call that one on 5 years.
idk I enjoy LineageOS
Honestly I want Linux VOLTE so bad, the dream is to run sailfish os
I run SailfishOS and Australia mandates VoLTE now. It works.
Oh nice, I’m in America and stuck on Verizon for work. I really was hoping to see VOLTE hit the OP6T
But Linux for mobile exists, it is just not popular. For instance you can install Ubuntu Touch on certain phones.
Yeah, like the Nexus 5. Not anything you'd want to actually use today.
I looked into Ubuntu Touch last week as a potential alternative to Graphene on my Pixel 9.
The most recent Pixel it supports is the 3.
So Graphene it is then...
That's still way newer than I thought. I guess they started updating it again.
This one right here, officer! They did it!
If only Arch Linux ARM existed... ;(
I don't expect Arch Linux ARM to have wider support than Ubuntu Touch or postmarketOS.
The later 2 projects aim to support Android devices, while (based on my understanding) Arch Linux ARM mainly targets SBCs (single board computers), like Raspberry Pi.
Arch Linux ARM nowadays, probably, also serves as a base for Asahi, but this does not help with Android device compatibility.
:(
But ubuntu SUCKS.
As a Debian and NixOS user, I can confirm that Ubuntu sucks
Phosh has a great UI, I genuinely love it -- I'm just not thrilled by my phone's battery life when running any mobile linux
Make a /system symlink and copy the drivers over?
achtually, every Android phone is using the Linux kernel
achtually, every Android phone is using the Linux kernel
Yes and support for GNU/Linux applications is currently in beta.
Graphene rules
I'm currently trying to decide between private and repairable. Pixel with Graphene or an HMD Skyline. Wish Fairphone was an option.
How's picture quality with Graphene? How big a downgrade is it from the one packed on the stock pixel?
It pains me to say, but the stock Google camera app is by far and away the best option I've yet found on Graphene. Which has to pair with the Photos app, or you can't actually do anything with the photos it takes.
However, you don't have to sync either with Google (though you do have to sign in), you can set Graphene to only allow them access to the folder they need (while they think they have wider access), and you can turn off network permission.
Why is it that you can't do anything with the photos unless paired with the Photos App? Does the camera output in a proprietary format or something that Photos converts?
Definitely not going to sync with google though. I don't on my current phone either. I've degoogled as much as I can on my current phone lol
Thanks for your replies!
I only use the camera for casual pictures and it's fine. It's still the same lenses and sensors after all. The camera app obviously isn't as all singing all dancing as stock but perfectly functional, has all the features you'd expect.
Right on, thanks for the reply.
I often have to snap tiny labels, have you had to do anything like that with yours?