still better than ios lol
still better than ios lol
Yeah android has termux, termux is amazing, I run emacs in it and have all the power of org mode on my phone!
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Yeah I am thinking of just don't care about phones. Just the cheapest second hand thing I can get for calls, sms, ssh, vlc.
Maps would be nice, OsmAnd crashes frequently (out of memory?) on the tablet I got second hand.
I want this too but I don't get how you can call something like LineageOS dogshit.
It works perfectly.
I'm a desktop user but my phone feels like the more polished experience (of course with way less capabilities)
For sure. One or two super paranoid banking apps but literally everything else works great with microg.
Sounds like OP was using an unnofficial miui port or smth like that
We need custom hardware imo.
Where would you even find a phone without a locked bootloader to even try this on other than a pixel, because, a google phone, to degoogle, really ? lol!
me too
Costs so much though. Thinking about what a phone even needs to do for me, what other handheld devices could work instead?
Steamdeck perhaps? Then a brick phone for calls/sms. Not too sure what would work as a lower spec and cheaper alternative to a Steamdeck and runs Linux though.
Came here to say the same thing. I'm very happy with sailfish OS since the first jolla phone came out (10+ years). I'm certainly not a power user though.
I had a great time (save for bugs) playing with a Sailfish OS 2(?) phone way back. Glad they're still kicking.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
-- Daffy Duck
Gabe please make Linux mobile phone.
Nah, /e/os and GrapheneOS rule!
Just one problem. Both are still dependent on Google and Android-based. How sustainable is that security model when a company has the say-so over whether you get to flash your custom firmware next year, or the next year, or maybe the year after that?
Right! just look how locked down android has become since the early/mid 2000's.
You don't even have full control of your sd card anymore (if you're lucky enough to actually have a phone with an sd slot.)
I'm an /e/os user and all I can say is even though it sucks the least among its competition, it STILL SUCKS! Not to downplay the immense effort put in by the devs and maintainers of course. Providing a privacy-respecting phone OS to ordinary people isn't just a good deed, it's necessary for a vibrant and diverse digital society. But still, we can all strive for better.
Define, "sucks"
The complaints I see about custom OS the most:
- Bank or payment apps don't work due to Play Integrity API (blame Google)
- Some other Google apps don't work correctly (well... duh)
- Obscure functionality that is usually overlooked or intentionally ignored, but is a complete dealbreaker for that user.
My banking app works on GrapheneOS. It didn't even need any of the compatibility settings to be turned. My experience has been smoother than the Android shipped with the device. I barely use Google apps apart from yt and haven't found any obscure issues yet. Is GrapheneOS just really good compared to others or did I get lucky with my bank and the features I use?
My bank app doesn't work with Graphene, which is a pain in the arse, but not the end of the world. I mean, they still have a website I can log into.
i never experienced point 2 or 3 in all my years of using them.
the problem for me is usually integrity api.
They're pretty common and the functionality is often not even obscure. Plenty of ROMs out there are unable to make full use of the fancy cameras on some phones without jumping through hoops because of driver issues. That's not an insignificant thing. I've seen NFC and e-sim being unavailable as well, which are also not very obscure features.
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GrapheneOS has been working flawlessly for me for years. Highly recommend!
Yep, they put in a lot of effort into the security and open source stuff, but at least on Graphene, the bundled apps are severely outdated aosp apps, they don't even support material you, meanwhile current aosp apps do support it, as can be seen on Lineage. The calculator app looks straight from Android 5 or probably earlier.
I honestly couldn't care less about how the calculator app looks, and I'm sure you could find a more "modern" one on fdroid. The real problems are things like google pay not working (not a deal breaker imo, but would be nice to have)
Lineage has its own forks of most apps
Most, but there are exceptions, mainly the messages app, calculator, phone app, and keyboard that I know for sure.
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idk I enjoy LineageOS
Honestly I want Linux VOLTE so bad, the dream is to run sailfish os
I run SailfishOS and Australia mandates VoLTE now. It works.
Oh nice, I’m in America and stuck on Verizon for work. I really was hoping to see VOLTE hit the OP6T
But Linux for mobile exists, it is just not popular. For instance you can install Ubuntu Touch on certain phones.
Yeah, like the Nexus 5. Not anything you'd want to actually use today.
I looked into Ubuntu Touch last week as a potential alternative to Graphene on my Pixel 9.
The most recent Pixel it supports is the 3.
So Graphene it is then...
That's still way newer than I thought. I guess they started updating it again.
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I’m only using iOS because android is worse. Neither of them make me happy. IOS is just less terrible than Android.
The problem with a Linux phone is that there’s no market for it, and developing one is only possible if you fundamentally change what a Linux phone means thereby ruining it but getting profitability and therefore carrier support and manufacturer profitability.
We don’t get what we want. They do.
There's also LineageOS after support. Still immutable done bad, but the toolset works.
Basically this. I use my phone as a tool and Linux phones don’t have the toolset for me to be satisfied. Like NFC payment, online banking and GPS tracking. Android does have the toolset but I’d like to keep my phone 5 years and longer. Currently rocking an iPhone 14 Pro and I plan on changing it with the iPhone 20 or 30 or however they call that one on 5 years.
Phosh has a great UI, I genuinely love it -- I'm just not thrilled by my phone's battery life when running any mobile linux
Make a /system symlink and copy the drivers over?
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