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@rimu@piefed.social given the new post tag requirements, please edit your title to include [AIT].

Edit: Since its been a few hours and I can see that you're active, I'm going to go ahead and just lock this for now.

I shall share a personal experience and opinion, I'm telling y'all early so you can skip it if you want.

I finished several projects with AI assisting me in my work. As someone who has masters degree in AI (done before current AI craze) I really wanted to see the new thing in action, even though I knew it was over-advertised and over-hyped.

AI is a good tool for a programmer in the same sense as Google Search is a good tool for a programmer. And just like haphazardly copying code from stackoverflow doesn't make you a good programmer, neither does AI. Anyone who tries to either have agentic AI write everything for him, or just copies code from LLM will eventually end up with confusing mess that even experienced programmers will have hard time to work with.

AI is good for quick questions - what is the data type, what is syntax here and there, what library provides specific feature... but terrible at making, expanding and managing large projects. Few years back I would tell my peers "just google it, you will get better results" but sadly Google Search entered such a terrible enshittification phase even before AI craze, that in my personal experience it's faster and more accurate to ask LLM most coding questions.

Purely vibe coded apps are abandoned because the proper answer to "can a vibe coder add feature X to his app" is sadly and expectedly "fuck you". My current project - Baba Yaga was created with AI assist, by treating AI like Google Search and occasionally as a junior dev to re-write boring parts (that could have been done with a script probably). If all LLMs got shut down tomorrow, my workflow would barely change, I would just start complaining about current state of Google Search a bit more.

My coworker said it best: "Anyone can build an app now, but nobody wants to maintain one."

In a shock to absolutely not a single person who has had to "hand craft" and maintain code... Its hard enough maintaining shit you wrote last week let alone adapting or collaborating on stuff you didn't.

... so people who shit out recycled code from other people passed through a randomization algo are totally lost from step one. And easy come... easy go.

Oh I need to maintain this? Oh the magic box can't do it? Technical debt?! Oh, I'm bored now... guess I'll go inject my brilliance somewhere else.

Communits shits on vibe coded projects calling them slopcode Projects shut down

See! They are just garbage liability! Why are they hitting themselves lol?!?!

Some people want to be programmers. We enjoy the process.

These people just want attention. Or have been conned into the idea that with AI everything is easy.

I try to not be hostile towards AI-assisted FOSS projects, but I remain incredibly wary of it for this reason (it being abandonedware) and because if the dev themselves don't know why they have a piece of code in their project how can I trust that there's not some obvious security holes. Like yes, it's FOSS, "so you can check it yourself," and if I'm seriously considering using the software then I will do a cursory code-review. But I do enough of that in my day-job (and at least I get paid for this), I don't want to do it with my hobby too. I'm just so tired of all this AI/LLM nonsense to the point where it's been months since I've added anything to my little homelab or have even bothered checking out any of the new projects coming out

Who woulda thought people wouldn't keep up with something they were never really invested in to begin with... except for pretty much everybody.

Hiking groups are full of this crap at the moment. Even for things that a basic spreadsheet would suffice

The worst one I saw was on hacker News yesterday which was a ai avalanche prediction site, which is an absolutely shit idea and will kill someone

All things must pass. All things must pass away. ~ George Harrison

I look back over the years when I first discovered there was a thing labeled a computer as a yongster. I remember the curmudgeons, scoffers, and nay sayers talking about how this 'fad' called 'the computer' and subsequently 'the internet' was all just a waste of time, and that all of us nerds and geeks would soon see the stark error of our ways. I even had an employer tell me, 'Buy something off the internet? No one will ever buy anything off the internet!' and then he launched into a 'Why, back in my day we .......yadda yadda yadda' diatribe.

I look back and wonder how far along we'd be in solar power infrastructures had a lowly peanut farmer not been religiously and hatefully ridiculed for installing solar panels in the White House. Sure, they were inefficient but it was the concept, the idea, that yes this can work with some further tooling and technology. I look back even further in history and pick out Fulton's Folly and how he was lambasted for his stupidity, thinking he could put a steam engine on a boat and make it a viable form of transportation. It became a huge boon to commerce and travel up and down the Mississippi, and subsequently spread to other areas. I think about our early steps into space travel and how there were massive amounts of vocal opponents to this waste of energy and tax dollars. Yet, even to this day, we still reap the rewards of that technology in our every day lives. So much so, that we never stop to think about it.

I'm not here to say that AI in any of it's many forms is the golden goose or the egg. It is fraught with problems, some of which are glaring, and it needs some heavy governmental regulation. I, like many others, have concerns about AI coded projects and the safety and security thereof. However, this knee jerk reaction to anything AI reminds me of so much of history, in that, the once disdained has now become so common place, as to be taken for granted.

Same is true about non-slop projects

I'm not surprised. If you didn't have to will to properly build it yourself, you won't' have the will to properly maintain it.

It's late and so maybe I missed it, but I didn't see the part of the article that compares the abandon rate of slopcode with the overall abandon rate. Not saying that the premise is wrong or anything, but you can't tell how bad something is unless you can compare it with the norm.

Vibe coding a simple project is easy, but a crapshoot, at the current state of LLM development. Vibe maintaining anything at all is basically impossibly currently, you need a competent developer for that.

I make all my own slop apps now. Bespoke crappy solutions for bespoke crappy problems. Abandmont rates are up, I can attest