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A woman drives with both hands on the wheel. Her phone sits face-down on her lap. No officer pulls her over. No lights flash. Weeks later, a $1,251 ticket arrives in the mail. The evidence: a single frame from a Camera surveillance app. The charge: phone use while driving.

Automated camera companies market their devices as automated license plate readers — tools for catching stolen cars, flagging warrants, and aiding serious investigations.

Sold as a Crime Tool. Used as a Fine Machine.

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[–] trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf 18 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

Remember kids, blackout or reflective tint and anti alpr film for ya plates are your friends.

[–] BrickEater@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

Got any recs for anti alpr film?

[–] Nikelui@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

What about IR LED strips to flood the cameras with light?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 9 points 13 hours ago

Many youtubers have tried, It's not reliable, doesn't work in the day and newer cameras even in night vision are getting hard to swap.

The tint/reflective stuff has a decent chance of getting you an inspection ticket, most states don't allow LP covers.

My best plan would be and LCD infused glass plate that you could blurr out with a button press like those electronic privacy windows. Thing is, even that's illegal.

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[–] snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago
[–] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 16 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

They should take away her drivers license. A fine is not enough for so blatantly endangering everyone....

This is what I would say if she had actually looked down and not paid attention to traffic.

But this? This is just abusive use of technology

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[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn't they have to prove it was a phone and not some black address book or something

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[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 63 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

That's the law here. Phone has to be securely stowed. Driving with it on your lap gets you a distracted driving ticket. Even if you weren't planning on looking at it. A sudden traffic move means its falling on the floor and driver is going to try to reach for it.

[–] Zagorath@quokk.au 42 points 20 hours ago (8 children)

Yup. I'm not surprised at Americans being opposed to it, but here in Australia we have cameras that detect phone usage while driving. The fine itself is issued after a person verifies the photo. And I am fully supportive of it. Driving a motor vehicle is an insanely fucking dangerous task. If your full attention isn't on it, you deserve to receive a fine. Keep the phone stowed securely in a holder, or away in your pocket.

The freedom of me to be able to make my trip on foot or bike—or even in my own car—without being killed by you far outweighs any idea of freedom you might have to be able to have your phone on your lap.

Australians and Canadians have some pretty bad entitlement when it comes to driving. But neither of us are anywhere near as entitled as Americans. Discussions like the one in this thread make that very clear. !fuckcars@lemmy.world

[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 13 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I am not a fan of the all-seeing panopticon, personally. That said, I personally feel much more entitled to good public transit and walkable neighborhoods than to a car.

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[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 14 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Americans don't love freedom, they love being special. If we apply the law evenly, we can't selectively apply it againsts Blacks, Minorities and Poors. The law is there to keep me comfortable and them in line. If we start applying the laws like I'm not special, it'll just be anarchy.

Why do you think SovCit nonsense got so big there? Gotta be special, I learned the secret Naval codes that unlock free travel.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

Americans don’t love freedom, they love being special.

Yeah, we love our own freedom, not freedom for other people.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 12 hours ago

Especially nowadays, there's no reason to have your phone out. Bluetooth connection to infotainment system. Blue tooth add on to old soundsystem. Retro fit systems, or a single one touch ear bud etc.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 14 points 18 hours ago (9 children)

I’m not surprised at Americans being opposed to it, but here in Australia we have cameras that detect phone usage while driving.

They're also against all their movements being recorded, ID requirements for websites, etc. Crazy people, who would ever want to not be tracked every second of their waking lives?

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 31 points 21 hours ago (10 children)

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 16 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Just think how safe the world would be if everyone was monitored 24 hours per day, for their safety of course.

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[–] EnsignWashout@startrek.website 213 points 1 day ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (6 children)

Let's be sure to name and shame, for anyone who missed it: Georgia and Florida.

Company is - you guessed it - ~~Flock.~~ (Mention of Flock in the article has been removed with a correction.)

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 19 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (9 children)

Hey, they could connect the car 'driver attention camera' thing, the OBD car speed stuff, and the in-car GPS to the municipality, the insurance company, and your credit card or bank account.

That way, the minute you look away, go a little over the speed limit, or check your phone message, they just gouge some cash out of your bank account. After three of these, your insurance rate goes up. After the tenth time, your health insurance and employer will be notified.

Fun times! 🎉

Edit: every damn step of this is now available via APIs or Agentic MCPs. There is zero technical barrier for this happening. Sleep tight y'all.

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[–] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

obviously LLM-generated article from an odd outlet that publishes five articles every hour

the news is real because it just regurgitates 404media

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 78 points 1 day ago

I remember the NSA massive surveillance machine during the George W. Bush administration and Obama administration that tracked phone metadata and internet traffic that left or entered the US (which was used to justify a lot of surveillance of US citizens). Even after the Snowden disclosures of 2013 we were promised that the system was only meant to track foreign terrorists.

Then we learned that DEA had full access to it, and that NSA was sending hints to law enforcement about large amounts of cash in transit so it could be intercepted for purposes of asset forfeiture, what is nothing short of robbery of civilians by law enforcement officers.

This is an example of mission creep, in this case how it affects the surveillance state. Once we allow a method or technology to be used for major crime (like terrorism), it will eventually be used even for minor crime (like drug possession or distracted driving).

It's very common for courts to forgive a violation of fourth amendment protections against unreasonable search when the violation presents evidence for a major crime, but then that case will be used as precedent when the same violation occurs and discovers a minor infraction.

This is how, during the aughts and 2010s, the Fourth Amendment was gutted by a long run of carve-outs. Now, a police officer or state agent can violate your privacy without a warrant via a whole range of exceptions:

~ If the crime they discover is significant (SCOTUS suggested controlled substance possession as an example)
~ Using specialized technology, say long-range multi-spectrum cameras, or using a drone.
~ If probable cause can be established. A favorite is a detection dog that signals on anything and has a 90%+ false positive rate.¹ (This is a particular beef of mine, since fake detection dogs are now more common than actual detection dogs, and dogs are losing their presumption of regularity as a result.)
~ If the police officer was acting in good faith, which is obtusely defined and is very hard to disprove. ~ If the suspect is non-white or otherwise suspicious due prejudice. Really, in a lot of counties, law enforcement are allowed to operate on hunches, or have a suspicious activity parameter list that is so encompassing (and often contradictory) that it's impossible to be credulous.

If you want to know how we got here these were already problems during the Obama administration when we had allegedly reasonable people in elected offices. And while they discussed the risk of too much power falling into the wrong hands, they felt compelled to keep it.

Whether the One Ring, or the Ring of Gyges, power without consequence is too seductive.

¹ A similar issue is the $2 roadside drug test which reacts to a lot of substances that aren't controlled, such as glazed sugar off a donut. These were originally supposed to be then verified later in a lab, but instead were used to establish probable cause, and eventually were used as evidence in court.

[–] Soulphite@reddthat.com 131 points 1 day ago (21 children)

Unconstitutional. Get that stupid ass shit dismissed in court.

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