Good. The only places I expect to see these pervert glasses are:
- In extreme sports for a pov shot (better cameras for the task)
- In film making for pov shots (better cameras for the task too).
- In the trash.
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Good. The only places I expect to see these pervert glasses are:
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I hate those "pervert glasses" so much. You don't need to have a camera in your glasses. Just wear normal glasses.
better yet, for those who don't need glasses, don't make my disability your fashion trend. yes needing glasses to see is a disability.
imagine being someone who just escaped a very violent situation and they need to stay safe and off the internet
then this shit happens
The real issue in my mind is privacy and autonomy. I want to be able to walk around without the expectation that I'm recorded. I'm male and don't have the same the impact from the creep-factor, and absolutely get it, but the implications are larger than dudes looking at women.
Big difference from a "I am in public and can be recorded" to a "I am in public and I should expect to be recorded". Another big step to "that recording is on a mega-corp server and can be viewed, reviewed, used as training data, cross-referenced, and otherwise processed without my consent because the person recording me consented; I really think this is the the crux, as I can have a tacit approval to be recorded by walking to a store, but I haven't given any approval for my likeness, my position, my emotions, etc to be recorded by walking down a street. A TV show using unsuspecting public will get people to sign waivers granting limited rights to their footage afterwards, or blur faces -- or did -- before retaining and publishing.
I walk into a grocery store and I can expect that they have a CCTV (note the CLOSED CIRCUIT part) system to be able to review what happened in the case of a robbery or whatever. The tech of my childhood meant that the store had a stack of VHS tapes, or maybe DVD/HD/SSD that rotated and could hold (lets way exaggerate) a decade of footage. A decade after I left the store, there was no record I was there -- maybe a receipt if I used a card, but I don't actually know the PCI retention requirements. With cheap storage and 3rd-party cloud-hosted camera systems, the business no longer owns the records of my presence, and has only a data retention 'agreement' with the provider. I didn't agree to my footage being used for any purpose other than the one implicit for safety/loss-prevention by visiting the store. Any use beyond that should be unreasonable search and seizure, but it's not being done by the government, so isn't illegal or something I could sue over.
Very similar situation to Flock/generic-ALPR-esq cameras. The trend used to be that unless you were somehow a person-of-note that you had effective anonymity in public: It took resources to monitor an individual's movements, facial expressions, actions, etc. It no longer does, and so all this is effectively captured and stored in perpetuity. The real problem is that it's everywhere. Good luck finding a grocery store that doesn't have some cloud-provider surveillance. Good luck finding a gas station that doesn't. Good luck even driving to a specific store that isn't recording you constantly because you pass several cameras on the way and some are specifically designed to track your movements.
Bringing it home to the current topic of 'smart' glasses. I haven't consented to being recorded by random person walking down the street with Meta's camera on their face. Meta has no ethical rights to my "content", regardless of whether the owner of the glasses has agreed to give Meta a license to their video as part of setting up the glasses. Ethical vs Legal, but we can keep pushing back.
I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but this shit is pervasive and won't stop until we force it.
Most places still record locally. Do this for a living. Video is a lot of data so it is usually local storage. The small places don't install them but from looking usually buy something off the shelf and install.
I want to be able to walk around without the expectation that I’m recorded
You should never have ever had that expectation, you are recorded all the time in public. This is a not a new thing and I doubt you ever complained about being caught on countless CCTVs before.
I think you missed my point.
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When I grew up, I could roam the local mall without an expectation that I was being recorded in perpetuity. My movements were recorded, sure, but stored for only as long as needed to prevent shoplifting or other criminal activity. I was anonymous unless there was a reason to look into my actions.
This is a not a new thing and I doubt you ever complained about being caught on countless CCTVs before.
CCTV is <100 years old and I'm rapidly approaching half that. CCTV was a shoplifting deterrent when I was a youth. Now it's a weapon and it's no longer CC.
Modern cloud-based video storage is no longer owned and operated by a single business or person. It's all Amazon or Microslop or Meta and they will happily sell access to law enforcement or palantir or probably anyone who asks with a large enough check.
Anonymity is the ability to be a nobody. In the 90's, we could expect that we were nobodies unless we did something worth noting. Recordings of us were ephemeral and irrelevant; overwritten next week.
Now they will be forever, and machine learning, face recognition, and processing power to correlate multiple data sources means that things you do today can be used against you in 30 years. I hope you can see that.
It's not really the glasses themselves that worries me, it's the rest of the tech stack. The glasses just add new vectors to the problem.
He did mention this, as in "Closed Circuit". Is wasn't going into the AI training machine of some company somewhere. These days everything is.
The question is a fair one: why are we allowing this to continue, because it's abstract / not obvious?
It's not just that people are "perverts", it's that they're wearing a camera on their face constantly filming people who have a reasonable expectation to privacy. Even in public most countries would protect that expectation in a lot of cases.
So unless somebody wants to be violently assaulted and their glasses ripped and smashed off their face, then it might be best to not buy them at all, or only wear them in private.
Lower your expectations for public. Your privacy is being violated in public and there’s nothing anyone can do about it now.
who have a reasonable expectation to privacy.
Not in public, you don't. You're not in private, you're in public. You do not get to walk around outside in public areas and demand privacy. That makes no sense.
iirc you can't expect not to be caught in random photos or videos but you do have a right for someone not to film you specifically, someone wearing these glasses is doing that in every interaction.
Not in public you don’t. Someone wearing these glasses isn’t doing it in every interaction. Wtf are you on about?
Constantly filming in public IS pervert.
These things have like an hour battery life and film max 3 minutes at a time. They aren’t on constantly.
Even with absolute no pervert intention to use them, I would not want them around me. A Facebook thing constantly recording everything? We need to draw a line before it's too late.
Finally, please. And I'd appreciate if we drew it in blood.
Yeah I'm fine with that. As long as a line is drawn.
Feel like nobody respects anything but death.
You forgot profits!
Reminds me of Google glass or whatever it was called. It's not that people aren't ready, it's just a bad idea
I love that big tech was so arrogant they just plum forgot or choose to ignore why those died then.
And then above it they still chose the one thing everyone was mad about, a camera. All they had to do was not put a camera in there but they couldn't resist.
Good
This is the glasshole stigma all over again
Good. Good. Let your hate become your strength
Being accidentally recorded in the background of someone's photo or video is one thing, and it happens all the time, that is fine
But we all know it doesn't end there.
These glasses allow secret recording
Of your children at the playground
Of your wife and children at the beach
Of your wife and you at a nude beach
Then all the videos will be picked up by Facebook and fed into their AI. your kids, your family, you, will forcibly be used for AI proposes, you will also be identified, your locations will be stored with it and sold to the highest bidder. Your facial expressions will be determined, what you all were wearing, what you were doing. All of it will be not used but abused to hell and back
If I see such glasses making a recording of me and or my family that will be the end of those glasses
or of a victim of violence who is just trying to stay safe.
"There are a lot of times where it's not appropriate to wear cameras on your face". When is it ever appropriate? Try walking around pointing your cellphone at people's faces all the time and see what happens.
"I saw all these comments about if you wear those glasses you're basically a predator or a creep, and I was like, 'Oh, maybe it's not a good idea to have those,'" said Kujawa. "I didn't really think that through all the way… there are a lot of times where it's not appropriate to wear cameras on your face."
Words to live by.
CEO Mark Zuckerberg remains convinced that smart glasses will eventually replace the smartphone.
Sure, Jan.
CEO Mark Zuckerberg remains convinced that smart glasses will eventually replace the smartphone.
Just a regular reminder that facebook has a massive child sex material trade problem, that they've actively done nothing to prevent, but they have called police on reporters reporting on it.
So Zuckerberg wanting his creepnology on every face, in every bathroom, hospital, etc, while he gets a copy of every video, is very much in character
Look, I actually want smart glasses, but there is absolutely no reason for there to be cameras in them.
Just give me a HUD so I can follow transit directions or something. I'm not trying to take creepshots.
What really frustrates me is that governments and big business have normalized surveillance everywhere, and now big business is basically selling wearable spyware, and this is all quite egregious.
But, one of the biggest ways to combat this is with "sousveillance", or the surveillance of oneself. This has proven to be quite effective for motorists who own dashcams, and could be useful other places as well. But AI-peddling billionaires have ruined the reputation of that kind of thing entirely to the point where even open source variants of this tech will be rejected by the public.
So businesses, the government, and the police have the right, and in many cases the obligation to record your every move in public, but you aren't allowed to record your own surroundings in return.
Others have said it better than I ever could, but in my own words, even IF every person who bought these was the epitome of the highest moral and ethical standards, I would still be uncomfortable due to the way-too-high possibility of them being 'hacked' remotely which would still have the potential to destroy lives
Less likely to happen but why give the mega corps even more data. Problem is sure people hate these but watch if/when Apple releases a pair all of this well disappear.
Im more worried about meta using the videos for ai training or some other such equally useless and evil reason.
