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[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 55 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Hey now, the ancients were ped erasts, not ped ophiles. The fancy term makes it okay!

(Just don't point out that the difference is that pederasty means same-sex pedophilia. Or do! I wonder how they'd react.)

[–] lyralycan@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

How is there another nuanced difference in terminology for sexual attraction to children (that I didn't know yet)

[–] Laser@feddit.org 18 points 2 months ago

Eight-year-olds, dude.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Because that one is mainly used by historians, not pedos trying to move the goalposts so they can pretend they aren't one.

[–] bitwise@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

Wait until you see the new PR hotness that is MAP (Minor Attracted Person)

🤢

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

What's it called when a man loves a 600-year-old dragon in the body of an 8-year-old?

[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

loli, which is just more pedophilia

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[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 52 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Why the fuck do people give that many fucks over how other people fuck? What does it matter?

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because they're also gay but can't accept it

[–] gedfromgont@piefed.ca 5 points 2 months ago

Yep, my heart goes out to @nomad understanding his feelings some day.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Because some ancient sex manuals written by ancient goat herders said that gay sex is gross, but it also said love thy neighbor, and none of the peasants at that time had the wherewithal to think "hey maybe only one of those things actually makes sense"

Edit: I'm not giving the peasants enough credit - a bunch of them probably did have the wherewithal, but the people in power murdered them for questioning the ancient sex manual, so that stopped that pretty quick

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nah, the ancients didn't give a fuck. Greek, Roman, Egyptian... Love is love and sex is sex

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm talking different ancients - the Judeans, Samaritans, Palestinians, etc

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Shouldn't have let them write the books. Single God was an error.

[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And it's fucked how if you explore more than one religion, faith or spiritual practice you're considered a heretic.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes it's "reaction formation". They like a thing. That makes them uncomfortable. They instead go hard in the other direction - they hate the thing it's horrible and bad and the worst.

Sometimes they're just... basic, and need the world to fit into simple boxes. Anything else stresses their brain.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah it's something you see around when you start looking for it. It's such an unhappy but easy means to preserve ego

[–] roserose56@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Amen to this! Let people be, let people fuck what ever they want.

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

*In some sensible guardrails, let's exclude kids and maybe dead people, animals and such, you know. But as long as there's consent, I don't give a fuck.

[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Captain Jack Harkness? Good example.

If I were the Face of Bo, I wouldn't bother with strange ideas of heterosexuality as well.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

too bad the JACK BARROWMEN wasnt acting, lol. he was a pervert too, which is why he been cancelled from being in doctor who from then on.

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[–] 666dollarfootlong@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They made homosex woke. Enough said

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Ruined the gay sex for the rest of us. Smdh

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They must be thinking about Hollywood’s depiction of exaggerated “manly” Spartan homosexuality. They just want to LARP 300 so bad, you guys.

[–] homes@piefed.world 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Did they actually show any homosexuality in the movie 300?

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, ironically the Spartans in the movie made fun of the Athenians by calling them boy lovers. Which is hilarious considering that Spartan society was way more homosexual than Athenian society.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I always interpreted it as a Spartan preference for grown men over boys.

Like more Freddie Mercury and less Judy Garland, please.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Idk, maybe if there was even a single reference to Spartan homosexuality then maybe. But Spartans were just depicted as beautiful strong who all loved their beautiful strong wives.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The subtext speaks louder than the text in 300.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lol, I think you might be giving it more credit than it deserves. I'm not sure if there is a lot of subtext in the movie 300. The writing in that movie is pretty minimal and straight forward. It's just a shoddy framework for some interesting (for the time) visual effects.

That is unless you think Zack Snyder was purposely creating media that would fascinate future chuds for years to come. Imo it's just the movie your average 14 year old boy would make in the 00s.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Subtext need not be intentional.

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 2 points 2 months ago

I couldn't really tell you, I was... distracted.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 19 points 2 months ago

The ancient Greek hate when you feminize the little boys they rape, everyone knows this.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is the same kind of manosphere twitterbro circlejerk logic that brought us this

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

I feel like my brain is being nerfed every day.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Tales of Times Forgotten: Just How Gay Were the Ancient Greeks Really?

The gist of it is

  • Ancient Greek gender identity was more of a "scale" of manliness
  • Sexuality was not an identity but a phase
  • The roles of penetrator and penetrated were split along the division of adult male and anyone else
  • An adult man receiving another was taboo
  • Young adult men were expected to court an adolescent lover
  • Adolescent men were to make them work for it (but also ultimately accept their role)
  • Full adults (late twenties) were to take a wife (usually adolescent girls) and stop pursuing boys

Also noteworthy is that preadolescents were off-limits. "Technically, it's ephebophilia" doesn't make it less fucked up, but it's also a distinction I suspect some of the "it was normal in Ancient Greece" chuds to overlook. Paedophilia wasn't acceptable back then either.

Men who courted other adult men were indeed seen as effeminate though. The post got that part right. But so were adults that failed to move on from their half-man phase of courting boys. I suspect those chuds miss that as well.

All in all, Ancient Greek ideas of sexuality don't neatly map onto modern ones, and they sure weren't progressive.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 months ago

I think this man should learn that even looking through gay porn you can sort by categories.

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

All tops in ancient Greece. That's how wrestling started.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

We must return to Gachimuchi

[–] Remy@lemmy.today 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What does he means with "ancient homosexuality" vs "feminized homosexuality" ? And then why he even cares about it?

[–] unrealMinotaur@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There is actually a pretty big gap between ancient and modern ideas of male on male intercourse. It's an interesting rabbit hole to go down if you get the chance.

[–] RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 months ago

I'd rather go down a man hole given the conversation we're currently having.

[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 2 months ago

Look, I'm against age verification for privacy/democracy purposes. But like, can we have a dialogue pop up that asks whether or not we're ready for this kind of nonsense in our day?

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Hell yah brother noting gay about pounding another dude as long as that dude is super masculine.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Woke radical leftists ruined the sanctity of gayness?

[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't the Greeks and Roman's have a lot of stereotypical butt jokes made about them?

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Why does Romans get an apostrophe but not Greeks and jokes?

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Also:

####s: plural form

####'s: expresses owner

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