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I admit I voted for this scumbag's party for the first time ever strategically (I thought) in order to prevent an even bigger scumbag in PP from becoming PM. Considering his actions in office re: climate I will NEVER vote Liberal again
This kind of approach is why the NDP hasn't had any presence in Ontario for years. Many people took the attitude of "I'll never vote NDP again" because of Bob Rae. Guess what.... Different people can have different ideas and priorities, even if they belong to the same political party.
True. I am an NDP voter generally but faced with the state of the party last election coupled with the spectre of PP as PM (really any position with more authority than dog catcher tbh) I held my nose and voted Liberal. After having lived in Ottawa and meeting a load of Liberals (arrogant scum is an understatement...the stories I could tell) I should have known better. Lesson learned.
So you'd prefer PP?
Completely different. We're talking preference - not absolute like/dislike. I was responding to someone saying they'd never vote liberal again. I am not asking if they like PP, just if they'd prefer PP over a liberal. So if the choice is liberal or PP, it is a salient question whether they prefer PP over a liberal. If they'd prefer a liberal over PP when those are the only viable options, then not to vote liberal is confusing, at best. So it's a relevant question.
You’re still construing said line of questioning out of thin air. There’s nothing concrete in the relevant comment to imply that you need to question whether they would prefer Poilievre over any other candidate, rhetorically or otherwise. (Besides, what is the functional difference between like and dislike vs. personal preference in this case? That’s a pedantic point at best and at worst a completely useless one.)
Additionally, why are you presuming that Liberals and Conservatives are the only viable options? Isn’t the whole point of having a wide variety of candidates like we do so you never feel pressured into only one or two options? Sure, you can say there would never be enough votes for, say, the NDP or Green Party for them to win a majority; but there’s still no inherent responsibility of any one voter for those parties to choose another because of that, and much more a societally ubiquitous/systemic issue. If one is forced, by circumstance or otherwise, into picking one or the other candidate out of many, then there are much bigger and more “salient” (as you put it) problems at hand than just which of those choices one prefers.
I'm all for minority governments and voting in greens or ndp etc., but often in a particular riding, there is only liberals or conservatives that have a chance. In that particular (common) case, if the original commenter would 'never vote liberal again' I just want to know if that's because they prefer to help PP's party become the government by not voting against their getting a seat, or if they just haven't thought that through. It's important to think through. It would be really bad to have a PP government.
That's called a "false dichotomy".
What's your other option then?
Continue to vote for principled candidates and parties that reflect your values while organizing in your community to advocate for voter reform to introduce policies like proportional representation and ranked choice voting.
Apparently reading comprehension is hard. To clarify being disabled I would never under any circumstances vote Conservative...it's tantamount to pointing a gun to my own head. In the future I'll vote NDP or Green like I usually do, torpedo's be damned.
You do you. But if the liberals are polling 45% in your riding, and so are the cons. Then are you really going to throw away your vote and let PP possibly win?
lol...someone likes to be contrary
Getting the federal government to stop doing things like that begins with getting Big Oil's political influence and propaganda out of Alberta.
This is the result of them promoting an astroturf separatist movement which they weaponized to force the federal government to let them pollute the planet unhindered, under threat of destroying the country.
Surprise, surprise. Carney is still a neoliberal.
We all knew it, the alternative was a dumb fuck hell bent on dividing the country
Yeah. That was the best we had to offer. Not a good omen.
What's a really disturbing red flag for me is he keeps touting carbon capture as a solution to offset the new damage. Feels like marketing strategy to allay the fears of people who don't have the time to look into its effectiveness. I thought CCS was just something he used during the campaign and won't be actually leaning into.
Best intermediate technological solution while demand keeps increasing. Fossil fuels aren’t going away any time soon, so any investment around CCU and alternatives, together with societal change, will be very welcome.
Capture is better than nothing, but it is far from the best option.
Still, it is at least doing something.
Hopefully it isn't the only measure that will be taken.
The best solution is electrification. Solar and batteries. The rest is just deluding ourselves.
Man this sub really hates the guy. Other places I see people praising him, and the other half hating him. No one in the middle even. Last I saw his polling numbers were at their highest peak, not sure where they are at now.
What makes this place so hostile?
It seems like these people have a particular level of privilege not awarded to others.
Lemmy seems to attract a level of outcast which enables more extreme views.
It also seems to attract a level of extremism.
We sr enot hating on him. We are hating his objective evil actions
I don't "hate" Mark Carney. This isn't personal. What I hate is many of his policies.
I couldn't give a shit and he comes off as insincere.
People here lean left more than most other places. Carney is, without a doubt, more right leaning than Trudeau, who many already struggled with his neolib policies. Shifting FURTHER into those policies isn't going to make this place like him
Yes. This. Lemmy seems to attract a lot of people who think we are on the brink of an imminent socialist revolution. While I admire many things about socialism, living in SW Ontario way outside Toronto I would just settle for not seeing anti-abortion billboards and F*CK CARNEY stickers everywhere and continuing to resist the right-wing nonsense taking over many other Western countries. (No, not just the US....Le Pen, Meloni, the list goes on...)
In all reality, we will never be able to get a party in majority that supports eradicating corporate entities, banning ICE (by this I mean gas powered vehicles btw - anything related to the American government agency should absolutely never be present here) vehicles immediately, establishing UBI, etc etc - these things will not happen in extremes that will slowly happen here and there and some won't at all. The goal right now is "least shitty" not "The Great Socialist Revolution" but this is a community with many idealists and that's cool but just remember that when you read some of these posts.
To anyone reading this, I'd remind you that local politics are THE MOST important. You can far more easily get local politicians in who are extremely progressive, and begin movement from there. The lack of parties means its much simpler to run, and most people don't even bother voting. Plus those changes can have drastic impacts on what you see and do on a daily basis.
The kicker is that who you vote for locally is also the party/leader you're voting for at the provincial/federal level and that's a terrible system.
This is absolutely true - while my riding is a complete waste and shithole that will always vote Conservative, we have had many progressive people on our town council and in mayoral positions.
Especially so in Canada. The politics that affects like 95% of your daily life is local and provincial. It infuriates me when I hear people blame all their problems on the PM that are actually the responsibility of your local or provincial government. Blaming Trudeau (or now Carney) for Doug Ford’s faults.
Housing, healthcare, education, public transport, urban planning, welfare, labour standards? It’s all exclusive jurisdiction of the provinces.
Some people hate Carney becauae PP's not PM. We hate Carney because of (some of) the shit he does. We're not the same.jpg
Also plenty of us voted for him and some contributed to his campaign. Even tho we did not expect much more than blocking PP, we still salty when he shits on unions or lays off wildfire experts.
Carney is a fiscal conservative, so let's get that straight. His concerns are Canadian independence, sovereignty and growth. He's thinking about keeping the country economically viable and strong through this period of turmoil and "new world order" shift as the US is keen to dump its global hegemony.
Now...... with that said, I'm sure he does care about the climate, but it totally takes a back seat to these other issues which he sees as being essentially existential.
I think it's an order of priorities and people who service the constant crisis/boom cycle of capitalism will never get correct. Humans are party animals and no amount of good sense is going to change that. It's going to take burning this bitch to the ground and immense loss of life to change tack, and only then it will be because it becomes the predominant existential problem.
As long as most people can still shit somewhat comfortably, nothing will be done to upset that directly, ever. This is why so many bad things can happen and the average person wont lift a finger, because they still have a nice seat waiting for them at home to shit on.
Carney is a fiscal conservative, so let’s get that straight. His concerns are Canadian independence, sovereignty and growth
for the 1% wealthy Canadians...
Now… with that said, I’m sure he does care about the climate, but it totally takes a back seat to these other issues which he sees as being essentially existential.
Then he doesn't care... that is like saying "I care about my second son but will pay no mind to him while my first one needs literally anything". "Business growth" will never take a back seat, and it will never not need tax cuts for the rich or austerity for the poor
If Carney cared about the Canadian economy.
His only concern is serving the coorporates