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[–] Rinox@feddit.it 32 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Buying is renting, pirating is owning

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

It's fucked up that this is basically true now

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Better line than the "owning, stealing" one. Pirating has never been stealing, anyway, but copyright infringement.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 15 points 6 days ago

It's high time laws protected us from this. Yes, even from High Lord Gaben.

If we buy it, we own it. We can transfer them to other account. Any stores selling stuff must have a plan in place for what happens when the store closes, whether that's transferring ownership to another store, or something involving making files publicly downloadable...

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I never built up a CD collection but I now started a digital DRM free local collection. Yes, I am actually buying that stuff (call me stupid if you like) but only loss free.

One of the few disks I own is sadly too corruoted for error free ripping, luckuly I still have it as mp3. That album simply does not wxist online anymore, anywhere. Possibly not even in the darker corners of the net. I think that happens more often than many believe.

[–] leanleft@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago

i think browsing webpages should be the same.
load it once, then store it locally andor host a torrent for it

[–] TBi@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Realistically we shouldn’t need laws for this. We should all just vote with our wallets. If we can’t own then you go out of business.

However there should be laws against companies changing the terms of the contract after sale.

The wealthy want you to vote with your wallet, as there is nothing they fear more than "one man, one vote."

[–] OleFoFa@lemmy.world 111 points 1 week ago (10 children)

If buying isn't owning, then pirating cannot be stealing. These corporations are literally herding people back onto the seas. I need to go get myself a new flag with a skull and bones, since I tied my boat to the pier about fifteen-twenty years ago.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 1 points 6 days ago

Buying is renting, pirating is owning

[–] username_1@discuss.tchncs.de 59 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"Pirating" isn't stealing regardless of anything. It is unsanctioned copying.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

And not removing the product from anyone.

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Pirating is not and never has been stealing. You do not deprive anyone of anything when you make a copy of something.

Copyright is a dumb as shit system of artificial scarcity and always has been.

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 58 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Well, aren't you quaint. Next thing you'll be asking for is seed corn that you can replant year after year from the corn it grows, heated seats in your cars without a subscription payment, replaceable batteries in your battery powered electronics.

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[–] DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's always been hypocrisy. The media companies only say what part you actually own based whatever is most profitable to them.

Technically, back in the day, when you bought any music wether it be 8-track, LP, cassette, or CD, you were purchasing a single-user license for the music and the media was just how the record companies delivered it to you. That's why Napster and all the piracy that followed it was/is illegal, because you don't own a license when you copy the digital file.

HOWEVER... Over the many decades I've been alive I've scratched, twisted, demagnetized, or just plain old lost hundreds of LPs, cassettes, and CDs. Do you think if I requested a new copy of the music that the record companies would send me a replacement?

No, they would not. So I obtained digital replacements by...other means.

Now that we're all used to digital copies, suddenly that's been the important part all along.

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[–] pemptago@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Beyond the obvious problem of paying but not owning, it's impossible to watch/listen without that data being stored on a massive corporation's server and likely sold to hundreds of advertisers. Last I saw Spotify had over 300 venders they share data with. I've seen sites with over 1000.

So you're not only paying for something you don't own, but you're also paying to have a larger profile in the surveillance capitalism machine.

[–] butWhatIfiCan@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

yeah, this is the part that really worries me. Ads are fine IMO, psychological profiling not so much. I used to hear "if you're not paying, you're the product," but now you're the product even if you are paying.

By the way, are any of the other streaming services better than Spotify for not having your data sold to third parties?

[–] pemptago@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

RE "If you're not paying, you're the product," also doesn't always apply when it comes to not paying EG: Linux and other FOSS products.

[–] pemptago@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Not that I know of, unless self-hosting. I've gone back to ripping CDs and sometimes buying DRM-free HQ audio. Probably getting my purchases profiled, but at least I can download it and no one else has to know when, what, & how much I'm listening to.

For easier access I have a Jellyfin server on my home network. I plan to switch to navidrome or similar for a better, dedicated music experience as well as setting up secure access over the internet for me and my friends and family.

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[–] deacon@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 week ago

The starving (and recent gutting) of the public domain demonstrates the institution of intellectual property persists in bad faith. Therefore media piracy is a legitimate means to acquire and consume media.

As the C-suite and its political and paramilitary minions have shown us crime is not about behavior and consequences, but who you are and to whom you bend the knee.

[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

I do, raise the black flag and you can too.

[–] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I saved all my DVDs because the pawn/sale price wasnt worth it... So glad I did.

[–] Kjell@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Films are still physical in my home. PC games are only digital, preferably bought at gog so I can download and store them. Music is also digital since I don't have any cd player. But I will continue to my films as blu ray discs as long as my blu ray player works and the films are released. Well, there needs to be stores that sell the films as well, that looks like the first thing to fall.

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[–] TomMasz@piefed.social 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have no fear that Amazon will come to my house and remove the books I bought. If they were DRMed ebooks, on the other hand, that would be something to worry about.

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I was always more angry about them editing digital publications after the fact. That's some Grade A "Ministry of Truth" BS right there. Dead Tree Media forever.

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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago

Only way I feel I can push back is by also saving it locally 🏴‍☠️

[–] rf_@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

We got frog boiled in the 2010s to accept renting out media. Me and my sandisk Sansa clip still go for walks listening to mp3s. I wonder if devices like this will see a resurgence under the idea that owning it gives you control of your media.

Like every trend does on social media, it's devolved into another consumerist "spend money" issue, but on Tiktok and other places there's a trend of "going analog" and returning to old tech. Okay not "full analog" as some people were using mp3 players and 3DS as a way of returning to tech that doesn't talk you, and those are obv digital and not analog, but that's the overall spirit of the trend.

The issue is people are going out and buying shit instead of finding what they already have and repurposing it. Use an old phone without a sim card as an mp3 player, or get one used from a friend or a slightly more ethical marketplace rather than a brand new thing you might not use.

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[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago

This hasn't bothered me at all. I've been _Arr_chiving a lot lately.

[–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's what I've been saying for years. If you've bought digital multimedia like movies, TV shows, software, etc from large corpos, you don't own it and you are at their mercy. Contracts can expire and licenses can be revoked. Corps want you to own nothing and be grateful for them allowing you the privilege of paying them for a product or service they can rescind at any time for any reason, because fuck you, that's why.

[–] roundabout@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I still buy new and used movies, games, and all sorts of media. I think with vhs, dvd and Blu-ray combined we’re around 1700 now and still growing. I’ve kept a lot of physical games and systems since I was kid so I’ve had a collection for a bit but with movies it started with not being able to watch Young Frankenstein anywhere. No place to rent or watch even though I had like 4-5 services at the time. I bought the dvd for it and 2 days later it was on Amazon. No more lol

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I hit up thrift stores to buy movies on disk. I think it's more than 1200 now.

They get ripped and added to my media server, then I store the disks just in case I need them.

While I don't condemn anyone for pirating media, my personal ethics don't allow me to. So, I need to have the purchased, physical copy to keep it on my server.

Last weekend I unpacked them all with a plan to put them in alphabetical order:

Buying used I occasionally get one that's unplayable. When that happens, I borrow a copy from the library to rip.

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