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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

It's mental that people think Greeks were blonde haired with blue eyes, while Hispanics (and up until recently Italians and the Irish) didn't even qualify as white.

[–] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Look, a thousand or so years before that, god had realized that even if he personally impregnated some dark little middle eastern girl without her consent, the best he could hope for was a light skinned son with brown hair. It was so disappointing that he didn't even notice when they tortured the boy to death. Heck, when the little fucker showed up all unexpected at gods front door, god was so surprised that he accidentally drove his soul back into the corpse and reanimated it. What a mess that was! That little brown haired zombie bastard running around scaring the hell out of people... lol.
Anyway, fast forward a thousand years and god had realized that if he wanted to reset the color palette on the human race, he was going to go west a skosh and start with something a little lighter. That worked out pretty well at first but eventually turned into its own complete mess.

[–] sus@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Look the ancient rom- I mean greeks were bronze, that's a totally different color from hispanic. Unfortunately bronze doesn't exist anymore and all the scrolls were written in black and white so we can never verify this.

[–] dellish@lemmy.world 18 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

These are probably the same morons who think Jesus was fair-skinned with blue eyes.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

They just throw out the rationalization that Jesus appears to people in their own form or some shit. Nevermind he hasn’t appeared in a few thousand years.

What I find incredibly racist and chauvinistic is that if you look for “what color was Jesus” a large chunk of the returns are “Was Jesus actually (black, brown, some other skin tone than white)?”

These people start from the White Jesus and ask if a man from 2200 years ago living in the Middle East was some other color than white. Nah.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 hours ago

Racists are gonna racist

[–] dani0tb@lemmus.org 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

A depictionnof Helen of troy from Pompeii, looks as white as me, a Chilean.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Your picture is a few centuries after the Trojan War and from a different culture.

I think the lesson is that cultures always adapt modern and local standards to cast into their historical tales. Beauty especially can change with time and place. You know all those round-faced women from the days of early film? It's not that women got hotter over the century--those women were hot. Guys from the 1920 would probably think our hot women to be poorly-fed vagrant farm workers.

Another data point: Mar-Al-Lago face. Hideous to us, but extremely attractive to the guillotine class.

That said, the blonde, blue-eyed nordic beauty standard is perhaps the most durable beauty standard we have in the West; it absolutely dominated at least between 1950-2000, so it makes cultural sense to make Helen look like that.

Edit: Another data point this Jewish guy from 30 CE Palestine:

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Late 4th century (very Jewish looking cuz you know, he was Jewish)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depiction_of_Jesus

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Is that AI or real person I'm just confused by why there's two pictures that are obviously taken in the same place but she's wearing different outfits.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 3 hours ago

I think it's just two photos of some random girl at the place she works.

[–] FavouriteShapes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago

It's a real person on two different days.

Why they chose two pictures? No fucking idea.

First one is like the stupid promo tiktok for the business/for her own tiktok, second one must be an Instagram post or maybe someone met her and went "you're the lady from tiktok!! Can I get a picture?"

Troy, Michigan

[–] OtakuAllTheWay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Bet they believe they spoke English with a British stage accent.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Trojans according to historians were probably closer related to Hittites than to Greeks. Meaning dark-brown to black hair and tanned skin.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Helen of Troy, famously wasn't from Troy though.
A very long and famous story was written about this.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yeah I forgot she was from Sparta. Mediterranian appearance then.

[–] dreamless_day@feddit.org 2 points 6 hours ago

It's from this new movie right?

[–] chaitae3@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

She could play Kriemhild / Guðrún.

[–] N0MAD@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 hours ago
[–] nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 0 points 5 hours ago

It could just be that RusticLagers is saying the the woman is beautiful enough that countries could go to war over her.

[–] sdcSpade@lemmy.zip 32 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

They'd be mad if a movie about Shaka and the Zulus had any black actors in it.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 6 hours ago

"Why would you make a movie about black people? That's racist." - MAGA

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[–] schwim@piefed.zip 105 points 1 day ago

Aryan Jesus would approve.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 56 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I can’t help but wonder if this was posted by someone who didn’t care about history, and just wanted to compliment a woman they thought was remarkably beautiful.

[–] jivandabeast@lemmy.browntown.dev 42 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 48 points 1 day ago

Oh well. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, which means I’m wrong A LOT. Thanks for adding context!

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (10 children)

That looks like AI anyway. Look how her shirt in the right pic falls weird.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't think she is. I've been seeing her skits for a while. There's just lots of artifacts on that screenshot

Here: https://www.tiktok.com/@jennarenee.s/video/7221288622887324974

I had to go to TikTok for this. I hope it's appreciated lol

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 6 hours ago

Yeah but now I have to go to TikTok.

[–] RidderSport@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or the fact that, while in the exact same lpcation, even on the same chair, she is wearing an entirely different outift, top and bottom

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[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or maybe they're not commenting on her appearance at all and saying she owns a marina with 1,000 ships.

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[–] PennyRoyal@sh.itjust.works 74 points 1 day ago

Helen of Tromsø

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Too weak to be Scandinavian, just look at those minuscule shoulders.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Heah? Yeah

Hair? Yeah

Body: mmm nah

Do you know where the Valkyries come from?

[–] terranoid@lemmy.cafe 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some greeks supposedly were blond. They used the term xanthos, a term meaning golden, yellow, or light brown/auburn hair.

The greeks of today aren't necessarily representative of what the greeks back then looked like.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 52 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yes, but when the ancient Greek describe "blonde" they aren't referring to the same colors we associate blonde with. Alexander the Great's hair was said to be xanthos.... Contemporary depictions of him are with light brown or chestnut colored hair.

The greeks of today aren't necessarily representative of what the greeks back then looked like.

Yes, because a lot of Greek people have some Slavic lineage in their family history and are lighter skinned than ancient Greek would have been.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I think a lot of people underestimate how blonde some Scandinavians are. I had that realization when my school went to France, and I realized that almost every single one of my classmates was "blonde" by the French definition, while I had previously thought that only a couple were blonde with the rest being auburn, light brown or chestnut. The "straw" colored hair that gets white in the summer is kinda rare in teens and adults, even among Scandinavians.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 hours ago

Oh, i had this as a kid. Now it's dark blonde.

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[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago

If the girl looks like DLSS5, she's prompted y'all.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago
[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Just say that you'd march to troy for her. Its fine

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