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The irony is that in 2028, a state with the same population as Canada might hold a referendum about leaving America. This trade dispute just might push California over the edge, and I am not talking about earthquakes.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/01/24/country-of-california-secession-newsom-trump/77907859007/

and more recently

https://theharvardpoliticalreview.com/calexit-california-independence/

If America is so out of control and beyond the reach of the Rule of Law and the Constitution that it can elect Trump (recall that he is considered to be potentially a traitor to the Constitution by the Supreme Court), then it is definitely within the realm of possibility that California could separate.

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[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 87 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, Trump wants the benefits of being a president without doing the duties of one.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago

Wdym, he duties all the time in the oval office. You can practically smell it.

[–] guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There are no benefits to being a US State.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are if you are Alabama.

[–] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

Oh yes. Relentlessly vote against government spending then elect whoever is going to secure your region the most government spending. Classic USA right wing voter. If they learned literacy at an appropriate age this would still happen, they're that stupid.

Wdym some people like being terrorized by the stasi/s

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 74 points 1 week ago (2 children)

He clearly doesn't want a trade deal with Canada. Fuck this senile old clown.

[–] trebach@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He has no concept of a mutually beneficial deal or how international relations work. Any deal where the other side walks away happy is a bad deal to him.

[–] breezeblock@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

The mistake is taking anything he says seriously. His words are meaningless on every level.

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yup He doesn't want a deal, he just wants our resources for free.

[–] FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

It's worse than that, he wants us to pay him to take our resources. fdjt 86 47

🍁True North Strong and Free 🍁

[–] shittydwarf@piefed.ca 66 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] mikenurre@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Elbows up my friend.

[–] DragonAce@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] shirro@aussie.zone 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

There are 300 million more morons who either support him or are doing nothing serious to get rid of him. At some point we have to question if Trump is the problem or a symptom of a wider issue.

[–] helpfulcamel@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

This is the question. We pretend that is a MAGA thing or a Republican thing. But this is a deeply systemic concern with America -- a hegemon finally opening acting like it. We're learning the hard way, that sharing a bed with an elephant, friendly or not, is a danger one way or the other.

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 3 points 1 week ago

Symptom of a wider issue

I don’t think that’s in question now

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

He only knows how to bully to get his way, without his previous handlers no way he'd give to some sort of deal that doesn't make him top dog.

So yes he's a moron. Someone smart would make a good trade deal to appease certain producers of their country to make it seem likes he's helping them.

Nah eff that says Trumpy Dump since he's unable to do one thing that doesn't massage his ego and get glorious rewards. Amusing cause he could do so much to help and thought of better and bask in it (like you've seen him when he walks on stage with that fucking stupid smile), but nope be a jerk make your billions, screw everyone, then bitch when people don't like you.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah, trade has only ever benefited them and hurt us. That's why we've been trying to get out of it since the 80s.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

California secession is on the ballot every few years. I would be happy to separate but we probably need to take Nevada with us for water, unless Canada is willing to pipe us some.

[–] BillyTheKid2@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago

Water is a trick. We have tons in Canada, and absolutely could pipe it, but it's not cost effective. The length and size the pipe would need to be is too much.

Desalinization is more effective, even with it's crazy high cost. Using ultra hv to transmit our power to you and you use that for desalinization would be more effective.

[–] ProudCanadianCitizen@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

With the Colorado river drying up, you really think Nevada will be all that important? How much longer do you think you will still be able to get water from it? Desalination, water conservation, and water recycling (treat wastewater and use it for agriculture) and be free of the threat of Colorado water restrictions and climate change.

But I am sure a deal could be worked out with Canada, in the framework of free trade negotiations. We also have lots of energy to sell!!!! California and Canada have been great trading partners, until Trump messed everything up. I am sure a trade deal could be made in months, given enough incentive and cooperation.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There’s already an agreement with Canada about the Columbia River, that Trump just barely avoided totally messing up.

The problem is, the Columbia, despite the Arrow Lakes reservoirs, will eventually go the same way as the Colorado. For coastal states and provinces, viable desalination is very much the future, as is improved moisture capture for when global warming hits the point where water is dumped at volume where it precipitates at all.

And despite Alberta, Cascadia isn’t really an advantage for BC; Canada’s strength is in its diversity. And Canada’s entire population is about the same as California’s, so any democratic nation made out of California and other states and provinces… would leave everyone but California at a disadvantage.

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[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

the mountain range in nevada catches a lot of rain and a lot of it trickles to California.

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[–] mikenurre@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Las Vegas/Clark County will join without question. Washoe/Reno on the other hand... they'll probably join eastern Oregon in their attempts to join Idaho.

[–] EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Cascadia need to be our own nation and secede from this toxic cesspool.

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[–] mHtt@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

do you accept ice cube form?

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago

Yes, classic way to transport water!

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[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ah his usual response to someone not bowing to his demands; pathetic mud slinging.

[–] ag10n@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Rapist behaviour

[–] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

How in the world do you come to the conclusion we want benefits of being a state?

[–] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago
[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Alberta has a wide-on for InDePeNdAnCe and Ford wants to wire Ontario with cameras. Our politicians send a lot of mixed messages.

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[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 2 points 1 week ago

Someone please explain what benefits there are to being a state at all? I don't even want to travel there because of how fucked up their rights and laws are...

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[–] mHtt@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago

Canada is guilty of being in close proximity to Donald Trump.

[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are benefits to being American?

[–] ProudCanadianCitizen@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Only if you are rich, entitled, and non-Hispanic white.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Ironically the richest people in the US have the same life expectancy at the poorest in the UK.

[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 5 points 1 week ago

The benefits from being those things have nothing to do with being American.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I sure wish his obituary would hurry the fuck up.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Dolly Parton died today. I wonder which would overshadow which if Trump died the same day

[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

Not just Canada! The UK, European countries, Asian countries, New Zealand, Australia, African nations and maybe even Greenland are all desperate to be allowed to pay to become US states. Indeed, it's the wish of every man, woman and child. ............ /s

[–] EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 9 points 1 week ago

Did he list those benefits? Lol

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Can we not? We’re barely holding together what states we have at the moment, several of which regularly propose leaving.

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

This is dumb, making any part of Canada a state would bring a laundry list of unfunded liabilities such as universal healthcare, retirement benefits etc. etc. The same goes for California, I doubt Canada wants to pick up the liabilities for Social Security benefits.

[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And it would burden Canada with a share of your $40 trillion debt. No thank you.

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (15 children)

In Canada when a budget doesn't pass, the government doesn't shut down. Instead all of the politicians are fired and they face an election where they have to explain to the voters why they couldn't do their fucking jobs and pass a goddamn budget.

The US would have to make significant changes to their political system so it doesn't suck. Also change to the Canadian flag, the US flag is tacky as fuck.

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

We pay huge costs as colonial servant. Trade is not "benefits of a state". Trade balance has been mostly even for years, and in US favour if you exclude resources that US/Trump has never wanted to tariff on anyone. Making Canada poorer and hostile does not help the US, and means less jobs and sales for both.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

No we don't.

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

With that kind of spin, it's only a matter of time before he gets dizzy and falls on his face.

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