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The sombre mien—that’s what stayed with me. On Saturday, Mark Carney looked less like a prime minister briefing media on trade negotiations than a wartime leader telling his country a feared turn had finally arrived and preparing them for a long ordeal. The intense, all-out effort to stop crushing new tariffs had failed, with Carney grimly explaining that the United States insists on “short-term transactions” rather than “long-term partnerships” and that its commitments could no longer be assumed to hold.

American demands reportedly went well beyond tariffs, market access, and sectoral protections. They targeted Canada’s freedom to set domestic cultural policy, interpret agreements it had already signed, and conduct trade relations with third countries. The loss of our sovereignty was too high a price for preserving economic integration. What prime minister would accept Canada becoming a vassal state on his watch? With the collapse of talks, and Carney describing the country as being “attacked,” it’s hard not to feel like we have crossed into a different moment—that we are living in a slightly darker reality.

Throughout the weekend, The Walrus spoke to economists, policy experts, and political observers about what exactly has changed and what this new period might demand of Canada.

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[–] ProudCanadianCitizen@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Carney's ace in the hole - the mid-terms in three months. It is very likely that if a trade deal is not signed soon, the Republicans will lose both the House and the Senate, and not just by a little. The myth that the tariffs will be 'crushing' to Canada just does not hold water. Tariffs on only $50 billion (both ways) out of total trade of $900 billion is certainly not going to break Canada, bit losing the Senate and House will devastate the Republicans.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I would never count on the Americans to vote intelligently.

Practically speaking, the Republicans have controlled the senate for 14 years. Realistically the mid terms are not going to change anything. The average American is more ignorant, self centred, and isolated than ever.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I am sad to agree with you on this.

Today I looked to see if the Co-op had a Canadian brand of tooth paste, they did not that was going to be enough for me to write a letter, but than I noticed in the flyer they had a maple leaf by coke and pepsi. Angry I looked at a few other things and say they had maple leaves beside a lot of stuff that just was not Canadian. On the back of their products they advertise www.storebrands.coop which does not go anywhere, after confirming it was not storebrands.com I did a whois on it and found out that yes the coop owns it but its name is hosted by cloudflare. I will admit I hold a bias against cloudflare and suggested they fix the page and move to CIRA for their DNS. Since Carney has said we are at war with the US, sure it is a trade war not a pu pu boom war it is war none the less and I plan on fighting it.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’m thinking of putting up lawn signs telling people to cancel Amazon, throw out Alexa, and cut Disney and Netflix.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I wish I had the money to get rid of my apple home pods and replace them with some open source speaker/microphone. I have however got rid of the Apple Home and replaced it with Home Assistant, wish I got into it much sooner and replaced all of my apple things sooner.

I have a Mac Mini that has spent years sitting on my desk because I could not update it, I downloaded all my iTunes music purchases and than removed OS X and installed Debian.

I use pi-hole to block a lot of trackers and ads, and I self host a lot of things. In the next year or two I will replace my iPhone with a Motorola and either use e/OS or Graphen OS.

[–] goodguys9@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm curious, any reason for Motorola specifically? I would say they're still a U.S. company, and in many ways no better than Apple.

[–] imminent_nebula@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd guess because Motorola has partnered with Graphene OS to release a phone with Graphene as the os.

[–] goodguys9@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks! That makes sense, I did some research and was guessing the same thing.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes that is why, I do not want to buy a pixal, and the other OS’s sound like they can be iffy.

[–] logi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There is also Fairphone with e/OS to consider. They've just announced shipping to N.America.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

Will have to look into that as well thanks.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, nah. Do all those things but it is a slippery slope to writing political opinions on a black Ram1500.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

Obviously I’m not going to write my opinions on an American truck.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Nelson Naturals makes a toothpaste that we use. It's a bit pricy, but it's Canadian, and it's sent in refillable jars.

[–] ProudCanadianCitizen@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Six former Republican Senate seats are projected to maybe or definitely flip.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

According to polls. People respond to polls who don't vote.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You vastly overestimate Americans. Very high chance nothing will change in the mid terms.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yah, the more I hear about how how the GOP are going to get slaughtered, the less I believe it. Americans will just decide it's in the bag and not vote, if the past is any indication. Fucking idiots.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

It's exactly how Doug Ford stays in power in Ontario, so we have nothing to be smug about.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's possible.

They pretty predictably punish whichever party has the White House for a bad economy, though. Or national embarrassment. Or, like, the weather on voting day. It's pretty uniformly all blamed on whoever the president is, down there.

[–] goodguys9@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I apologize for linking to a U.S. website, but here's a polling average for the midterm for those curious: https://www.natesilver.net/p/generic-ballot-average-2026-nate-silver-bulletin-congress-polls

It looks like Trump's party is indeed behind right now at least.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Polls are pointless. People respond to polls who never vote.

[–] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

Nate Silver uses an aggregate of dozens of polls and weights each one based on numerous factors including historical accuracy and bias.

His model correctly projected Trump win in 2015 even when most polls said otherwise.

[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But 2016 polls said it was a Clinton landslide.

[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

wp:2016 United States presidential election#Exit poll seems to put it at:

Clinton Trump other
48 46 6
[–] ProudCanadianCitizen@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Lessons from the pointless forest, you don't have to have a point to have a point. but all polls have a point spread.

[–] goodguys9@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

They tend to get within 1-2% of the actual vote on election day, so I wouldn't say pointless. They can certainly miss a tight issue, but trend lines are meaningful too.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Ouch. Those are really bad numbers for the GOP.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

FYI, petroleum products alone are $120 billion, out of $400 billion total exports to them. That's ~1/5 of all their oil. Although, to be fair, we get a lot of our refined fuel back from them.

Potash would be really hard for them to replace, and they were still buying our aluminum regardless of the 25% tax. Lots of their the other top imports are commodities, since that's what we produce, and most commodities can't just be made anywhere.

Obviously, they have the advantage of size. But if you look past that, at all, they suddenly don't look so unstoppable.

[–] ProudCanadianCitizen@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

So a 5% export tax on oil would return $12 billion? That pays for a LOT of the new tariffs Trump wants to levy/ The exporters drop their price by 50%, and the government pays the difference from the oil export tax. China actually did something like this when Trump tried to tariff them out of the market. Some of it was currency manipulation as well, but unfortunately the Canadian dollar is holding up, everything considered.

[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I read an article a day or two ago that claims the Republicans are in trouble because so many Americans hate data centers. That and the trade war could spell trouble for a lot on the right.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can read opinions and polls all day, the reality is only the right wing comes out to vote.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There's a (slight) difference in turnout, and in vote efficiency, but there's just more blue voters. In the end, the parties are balanced in the US, when it comes to the current process for elections.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They'd better vote like their country depends on it this time. And the next. And the next. Because while money can't buy everything, it seems to be able to buy selective amnesia in American news networks and voters' minds.

[–] ProudCanadianCitizen@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

Tell an American to 'vote like their country depends on it' and they will do the opposite. After all, isn't that what Obama told them, and look how they voted?

[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One can almost count on the Democrats to foul up their chances to win both houses.

However, as Trump gets dumber, it might affect them in 2028.

[–] ProudCanadianCitizen@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Read the agenda. Vance will never let Trump last until 2928. .Vance wants to be POTUS without the need for an election, and he gets his wish it Trump is deposed at the mid-terms. Vance is just giving Trump enough rope to hang himself.

The way Vance is maneuvering, not even the Democrats could blow the chances of the House and Senate going Democrat. This is all about Republican voters making the shift, and they are doing it regardless of what the Democrats do or say. The Republicans want Trump gone more than the Democrats do.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Carlo Dade

None of this is new. Yet Canada, writ large, walked into the stadium without studying the game film of the opponent. Had we done so, little of what just transpired would have come as the surprise it apparently is. We would have known that the Americans would slip in an amped-up no-trade-with-China poison pill. We would have been prepared for it to arrive at the last minute, and we’d be working on contingency plans. Businesses could have readied (stockpiling goods, for instance). The media would have known, and they’d be hyperventilating less. Instead of a shock, it would have been a known worst case. We wouldn’t feel singled out. Our reaction would be calmer—we got punched when we weren’t expecting it, and we’re upset.

Either "writ large" is doing a lot of work there, or that's just unfair. Anybody both not MAGA and following events was expecting this. Our negotiators definitely included.

The bit later on about communicating with the public suggests he did mean everyone else. To that, a whole lot has been written and said already about why it everything had to be secretive. Trump didn't make a deal, but he wouldn't even have gotten close if we'd been calling him out the whole time, and then you'd have the Conservatives saying Carney didn't even try.

The nationalist, hit-back response—“we’re at war”—is based on emotion, not reason, and that plays into the Americans’ hand.

The only examples I can't think of, where a nation at war downplays it, is where the war is a war of aggression they started. Spreadsheets and pie charts just don't stir up the same will to sacrifice and defend.


At the other extreme, Vass Bednar is totally speaking our language:

What’s been missing, so far, is a strategy for technology and digital goods.

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 5 points 1 week ago

We were definitely expecting this, anyone who didn't had their head in an unfortunate location.

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