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[–] harcesz@szmer.info 8 points 10 hours ago (27 children)

Ex soviet block kid here, even got CCCP stamp in an old passport.

This might be true, but it might be worth considering that by late 70 it would not really matter that much. You could hardly get anything with the money left, basic food products included.

Buying meat in a store would be a thing of a chance or you got nasty scraps, and there was really little other options beyond popatos and a few other very basic foods. In my country most of 80s people would que for most of the day to buy toilet paper, and one your run around the city based on rumor on where something could be gotten. This created a massive black market, but there prices would make an average pay worthless. And also any western foreign currency would be worth much more than local, as they were key for smugglers, anyone looking to escape to the other side and tightly controlled (if you were even given a passport and were allowed to travel abroad you could buy a very small amount of currency, much below what would be needed to sustain oneself). Anyways stuff like this, institutional inertia and stiffness, plus repression of any attempts at change created a feedback loop of a massive shadow economy and corruption that chocked the system and created a deeply pathological culture that has been an issue in the region since.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 9 hours ago (9 children)

I think it's pretty uncontroversial that the USSR ended on a low note.

Decades of economic isolation by western powers, constant conflict with the usa, loss of faith in the government through some of the destalinisation measures and liberalisation of the economy all took their toll.

If history had gone a bit differently and revolutions elsewhere hadn't been stamped out paving the way for the rise of the Nazis and the ascension of the USA on the back of nuclear horror things might've gone a lot better.

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[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 28 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

I have a friend in China that pays around 3500rmb a year (incl electric, heating, ac, internet) for a place in a mid tier Chinese city. It's a 10 minute walk from a metro, fairly new, and she prepaid two years of rent working a gig job at minimum wage for 2 months. Her girlfriend also works minimum wage and they said they aren't even employed right now and they saved some money up from their sporadic gig jobs and are now taking a 2 year vacation because they just wanted to chill, I guess. They send me cute lesbian pictures of them on the beach somewhat regularly. They say no one bothers them about being queer, though their families are still in a somewhat hilarious feud over who should take on whose name. They don't pay any taxes, they are exempt due to a wage cutoff.

I'm sure everyone here has it cheaper! 🤡 China is a capitalist nightmare don't you know?

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

mid tier Chinese city

Which one?

3500rmb a year

That seems insanely cheap, did you miss a zero in there? I've seen nice apartments for 2-3K rmb/mo in T2 cities, per year seems crazy.

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[–] dropdrip@lemmy.ml 17 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 13 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

People online, and especially newspapers, always act like China is having a gig nightmare, and that everyone is stuck in unemployment hell. But they obviously don't see the totality of the economy, they are just looking at one number or another. A large number of unemployed people can be good because that can be a long period of personal, consensual downtime from work. So many newspapers were also reporting what you just posted as a brutal bust in the housing market ripping wealth away from millions of Chinese. But they do not understand the context of the economy whatsoever. A house isn't an investment, and its something that takes up such a little part of someone's total wealth in China that they do not care if the prices keep going down. You can pay off a big 80k rmb house in the countryside in about 3.3 years of minimum wage work, and by countryside I mean a rural/suburb area, you still have access to a fast train to the local big city. You typically pay nothing for the land the house is on, its free when allotted by the collective lands comittee, so you're pretty incentivized to set up your own house by ordering a prebuilt one to be shipped there or paying builders to do it. Or if you really wanted to save money, you can hook up a fancy yurt to the free electric and sewage lines and grow your own food, this style of life is so cheap and easy to maintain in China that it really isn't even worth mentioning the numbers. I talked to a trans lady that did that.

[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 12 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I got permission to talk about the feud! Traditionally in this region, the wife of a husband would go live in the husband's family's house and help take care of the house and his family, usually indefinitely. Nowadays, everyone can afford a cheap apartment so usually a certain time each year (usually Chinese New Year and a couple of other holidays) wives go live in the husband's family's house during the celebrations and are a part of the husband's clan, then they go back to their own apartment afterward. Basically, both extended families of this lesbian couple are really salty and wanna double dip on having their kid and the wife stay in their house so they can have two extra women around to gossip and clean with around the holidays lol. They really don't want to share! They've floated a lot of ideas but have come to a stalemate on the matter, I'm really curious how it'll resolve when they get "married" (as much as you can be legally in China rn, anyways, which is basically American-style civil partnerships with joint bank accounts prior to Obergefell). The antics each clan gets up to to try to impress them to join is getting really hilarious, they keep bribing them with gifts (flowers, food, money, cute dresses) all the time, its gotten to be a competition for some of the old grandmas with nothing to do. My friend says this is a little stressful. They really don't want to disappoint either family because they've been so nice.

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