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[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 57 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Remember that legal ai csam means that the government needs to prove that real csam is real csam, to convict a pedophile.

[–] Fredselfish@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Didn't fucking Japan make illegal to have drawings of Csam? Which is way less then what fuck is this ruling? Someone needs to check that judges hard drives.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Didn’t fucking Japan make illegal to have drawings of Csam?

Not really, you'd see the doujinshi community having a breakdown.

And that's based. One thing is a mere drawing and another one is just a collage of real CSAM being spitted by an AI.

[–] Bluedragon012@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Evil continues to win.

[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 7 points 1 day ago

I think maybe the public should be allowed to weigh in on this. That judge will resign in disgrace if the public pays attention, that is an outrage to most people, including that judge's own tribe.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

where the fuck do they think llms train it on?

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 3 points 9 hours ago

So why aren't we prosecuting OpenAI / Anthropic / SpaceX / Meta for possession?

It's a rhetorical question.

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 66 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Disgusting.

https://balleralert.com/appeals-court-ai-generated-child-abuse-images-first-amendment-ruling/

The legal reasoning runs through two Supreme Court decisions, both of which predate generative AI by decades. The first is Stanley v. Georgia in 1969, which held that a person has a constitutional right to possess obscene material in the privacy of their own home, even when the state can ban selling or distributing it. The second is Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition in 2002, which held that virtual child sexual abuse material, meaning depictions that do not involve any real child, is not child pornography under the law and cannot be banned on the same basis. Actual child sexual abuse material remains illegal to possess anywhere under Osborne v. Ohio.

What the appeal covered is the part getting lost as this circulates. The Seventh Circuit ruled only on the home possession charge. The charges against Anderegg for producing and distributing the material are still pending. So is the separate charge for allegedly sending similar AI-generated sexual images to a 15-year-old boy over Instagram.

The court did not rule that making this material is legal, did not rule that sharing it is legal, and did not dismiss the case against him.

They have decided just the possession part is legal under current case law/precedent, however they have not yet decided on the legal merits of the creation or distribution that material.

The scope is narrower than the headline suggests. Riana Pfefferkorn, a policy fellow at Stanford, pointed out that the ruling does not protect downloading images from a third-party website, and does not protect carrying a phone or laptop containing the images outside the house. That distinction has already been tested. In a January 2026 case, U.S. v. Yener, a court followed the Anderegg reasoning but reached a different result because the defendant’s phone containing the material was found on him at a diner and in a storage unit rather than at his residence.

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[–] TachyonTele_Esq@piefed.social 42 points 1 day ago
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

i cant expect anything less. Conservatives love to use AI TO make fetishized depiction pictures about women, especially POC, and this includes minors too.

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I actually don't support banning AI-generated child porn.

Why? Because I am a pedophile. I am a groomer. I AM pornography.

I have no sexual interest in children whatsoever. But it does not matter, I am a pedophile. In real life, I work as an educator. I've worked with children my entire career, and I would sooner jump off a bridge before hurting one. But it does not matter, I am a groomer. I have never in my life taken my clothes off in front of a camera, but I am not just pornographic, I am pornography.

I don't consume pornography. I do not take images with my clothes off. But I am pornography. My body is pornographic. My face is pornographic. My voice is pornographic. My very spirit and soul are pornography.

I am a pedophile. I am a groomer. I am pornography. At least according to the people who run the US Federal government.

In reality, I am none of these things. But it does not matter. I am trans, so I am these things simply by default. According to a decent portion of the population my very existence is inappropriate to discuss around children.

The US has very strong first amendment protections. The only reason queer media is legal in most of the US is because historically the Supreme Court has ruled that broad first amendment protections can only be violated under certain very specific and tightly-defined circumstances. Texas would love to declare any queer website or magazine to be illegal pornography, but existing jurisprudence prevents this.

Child pornography, like all pornography, by default would be protected by the first amendment. Yes, it's abominable and disgusting, but a substantial amount of people consider my existence to be abominable and disgusting. Media discussing or featuring trans people and LGBT folks in general can only exist because something being abominable and disgusting is not enough legal justification to override the first amendment. You cannot ban speech simply because you find it immoral or disgusting.

The Supreme Court has allowed banning child porn, but only under an extremely limited exception to the first amendment. And that exception is that the images involved are generated from real harm done to real children. Using this standard has been a great boon to the US. We've been able to ban child porn while also keeping the government's hands tied against banning the media of unpopular minority groups.

Under current jurisprudence, laws declaring media involving trans people to be illegal pornography are unconstitutional. The government can't point to real harm done to real children as a result of trans people simply being in a piece of media, so they can't ban it.

But the moment you relax that standard, the flood gates open. If you can ban porn that never actually resulted in any harm to a real human child, at that point you're banning porn simply because you find it gross and immoral. And if you can do that, you can ban the media of all sorts of communities people find immoral.

I loathe the idea of someone operating a legal child porn generator. But I also cannot ignore the fact that according to the very people running the US Federal government, any image or video of me is pornographic by default. I'm a trans person that's medically transitioned. I've permanently altered my body in substantial ways. According to Project 2025, any media depicting a person presenting in a way contrary to their sex assigned at birth is pornographic. And it is literally not possible for me to be in an image without appearing in a way very different from my birth sex. To conservatives, my very existence is pornographic.

So forgive me for being extremely skeptical of any effort to relax the very legal standards that have protected millions of people from persecution. Remember, every effort to restrict rights is always sold as an effort to "protect the children." But just like how now the word "terrorist" has completely lost all meaning, once you grant anything called "child pornography" broad first amendment exemptions, suddenly everything will start to be classified as child porn. Yes, abandoning our current standard of real demonstrable harm would allow us to put some more actual pedophiles in jail. But untying the government's hands and giving it broad new authority to police speech will harm millions of innocent people.

[–] notabot@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's a thoughtful take on this, thank you for presenting it so clearly.

For these systems to be generating "fake" CSAM, they must have been trained on real images depicting CSAM, which would be banned under current laws. Given that, it seems to me that the best way to approach this is to say that these images, and so possession of them, is banned not because they depict "fake" CSAM, but because they are created from real CSAM. That avoids the issue that you raised of things being banned just because some see them as "gross and immoral".

[–] aaa999@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

people keep saying this, and, no

you can go on nano banana and ask for a picture of kim novak punching bigfoot with luke skywalker riding a kangaroo in the background

do you think nano banana was trained on photos of kim novak punching bigfoot with luke skywalker riding a kangaroo in the background

no

it knows those things individually and can composite them together sorta in a way that imitates the layout of other miscellaneous photos

[–] notabot@piefed.social 1 points 10 hours ago

I think you're suggesting that, if it was trained on adult sexual abuse material and images of children, it could composite them in a way that made images depicting CSAM. Doing this would be far different to putting Luke Skywalker on a kangaroo as children an adults look fundamentally different, and without source material it couldn't generate that.

[–] eremophila@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

sounds like just another day in the usa

[–] terranoid@lemmy.cafe 8 points 1 day ago

TP USA always seemed like such an ironic acronym that fit this last disturbing decade

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I mean, it's the same principle as drawn child porn, which is legal. Why did y'all expect anything else?

because the AI is trained on real CSAM, so that's the part they should be prosecuting -- the downloading and storage of real CSAM. It's not like a human who never actually harmed a child using their imagination and creativity to draw something.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I expected that drawn child porn was illegal. I wasn't aware it was legal.

Now there are TWO things I am angry about.

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 day ago (25 children)

This is a very difficult topic to engage with rationally. But put the emotions aside and try.

We generally don't ban things just because they're gross. We ban child porn because children were hurt in the making of it. Without real kids involved, what's the justification to ban it, other than we just find it horrible? Again, we generally do not ban porn simply because it makes people uncomfortable. There's a lot of porn of adults I would never want to see. Hell, I don't even like porn of any kind. I'm more a romance novel type myself.

But really, as gross as it is, from a purely legal perspective, if there are no kids involved in the creation of something, how is banning simulated child porn any different than homophobes wanting to ban porn because they think gay people are gross? Again, we don't ban porn simply because we find it gross.

I could see an argument that maybe having virtual child porn out there could make pedophiles more likely to offend. But that seems like a very shaky assumption. The opposite case could just as easily be true. Virtual child porn could very well lower the rates of assault against minors. By banning it, we could very well be harming real children in the name of protecting virtual ones.

[–] homosapien@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

it involves children as the model, is, infact trained on REAL photos of children

[–] Obituarykidney@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

An Australian guy was arrested for possession of CP in 2008 for Simpsons rule34.

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[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I expected that drawn child porn was illegal. I wasn’t aware it was legal.

How do you verify the age of a fictional character?

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[–] Fredselfish@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

In Japan they just made it illegal.

[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just a reminder to people that AI generated images need other non-AI images to be trained on. If someone is making AI CSAM, it's likely that they are using real CSAM to create it.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Eh, maybe, but maybe not.

You could ask the AI for "a unicorn on a unicycle" and it doesn't need to have been trained on images of unicorns on unicycles in order to produce that. As long as it knows what a unicorn looks like and what a unicycle looks like, it can combine the two.

Likewise, it's possible that it may be able to generate AI child porn without any actual child porn in its training dataset, but if it knows what children look like and what nudity looks like, then it could figure out what nude children look like.


Now, none of this is to defend these AI companies. Fuck them for a thousand different reasons -- generating child porn images is just one of many reasons they're terrible. They should (at least) put better guardrails in place to prevent their AI bots from generating child porn images.

But I do think it's important to be accurate and not go into it with misconceptions. And just because an image generator is capable of generating something doesn't mean it was trained on that thing.

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 13 points 1 day ago

Likewise, it's possible that it may be able to generate AI child porn without any actual child porn in its training dataset, but if it knows what children look like and what nudity looks like, then it could figure out what nude children look like.

This is true and it's what happened to OpenAI, there's a section in Karen Hao's Empire of AI about it. Remember, these companies (under) paid Kenyan workers and gave them PTSD to make sure CSAM and other undesirable content wasn't in their training set.

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I gotta say, the demand from the judge for the supreme court to overrule it does not make me hopeful.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

There's a very good chance that the SCROTUS will use it to give green light to obscenity laws.

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