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I shared a link from NPR Tiny Desk but there was no image preview or video embed. After investigating this I learned that when you do that, each instance picks up the link and individually retrieves the link preview nearly simultaneously. For gargantuan sites like YT or Reddit, this is a trivial amount of traffic and not a problem, but for smaller sites like NPR this results in a sort of botnet DDOS attack on the site's servers. More here. Another example here . For that reason, NPR has blocked Fediverse servers like Mastodon.

I have experienced this on my personal server as well (DDOS), but at the time didn't know why, exactly.

This isn't the end of the world, but certainly is not great and hurts engagement with the content. Is there a solution for this? Perhaps using some sort of webtorrent service like PeerTube where they just fetch the information from another fediverse server instead of the source server? Maybe fetching embeds client-side? At least that would stagger the requests.

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[–] ace_garp@lemmy.world 19 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

Randomly stagger the times of each instance's request.

+1-300 seconds

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 17 hours ago

That's basically what's now implemented, iirc. At least in masto

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[–] rimu@piefed.social 76 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Lemmy does this to itself, too - when you create a post it federates out and then every Lemmy instance that receives it makes a GET request to retrieve the post from the original server. Even though it just received the exact same data. Some other fedi software is even worse - Akkoma does a GET of the id of every activity it receives, not just for posts but for Likes too.

It's insane.

Anyway, proper caching at the reverse proxy / Cloudflare level solves it. The same kind of caching setup would do the same for sites serving HTML, like NPR too.

[–] Ghoelian@piefed.social 6 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

That's weird. Is that how it's supposed to work, or did they just implement it in a bad way?

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[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 15 hours ago

How else can you be sure the content is valid though? Lemmy posts are sent as Announces from the community, not from the actor posting the post. The community could just fake a post if you just trust it.

[–] Pamasich@kbin.earth 10 points 16 hours ago (9 children)

I don't really get it. The image is federated, there's no need for instances to refetch it. Just checked out some posts and indeed it's there, in the image property. With the URL pointing to the Lemmy instance.

So if this is actually an issue, that's just bad programming and needs to be fixed.

~~Edit: didn't notice OP uses Piefed. Unlike Lemmy and Mbin, it seems like Piefed doesn't federate it.~~

Edit: actually I'm blind, Piefed does federate it too, sorry piefed

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[–] INeedMana@piefed.zip 8 points 16 hours ago

Also https:// itsfoss.com/news/mastodon-link-problem/

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 26 points 22 hours ago (5 children)
[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 20 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Norwalk Public Radio. From Norwalk, Iowa.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago (7 children)

I remember reading the same thing about reddit, slashdot, fark, and other sites. But I like the FASP idea as a way to relieve this.

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[–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 20 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

they could include the link preview data as part of the federation

[–] lilbigmouth@piefed.zip 2 points 13 hours ago

Perhaps a modification to the ActivityPub specification?

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Is this why the automated title retrieval never works for NPR?

[–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 21 hours ago
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 12 points 22 hours ago (11 children)

A slight delay would be perfectly sufficient.

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