A place to post ridiculous posts from linkedIn.com
(Full transparency.. a mod for this sub happens to work there.. but that doesn't influence his moderation or laughter at a lot of posts.)
Everyone wants nugget numbers posted on every menu.
Fair enough.
Here's the question:
If you post chicken nuggets are 3 piece or 4 piece who is more likely to order?
The person who wants 2 pieces is going to get a good deal.
The person who wants 6 pieces is going to need to order two.
So your customer base isn't the purchasing pool because you won't convince the 6 piece person to come in.
It's the people who only want 2 nuggets that are willing to order.
That's the difference.
Nugnomics
lol good thing salary ranges are required in the EU now
I'm only aware of comprehensive data for the USA, but see historical ceo-to-worker compensation. Note the extreme compensation explosion after the year 1994, which is shortly after the much more comprehensive executive compensation reporting rules were implemented (1992-1993).
Now, correlation isn't causation, but it would be a hell of a coincidence. Imho anyone who argues for salary ranges not being disclosed is trying to suppress wages. Whether deliberately or through ignorance.
You guys get paid over 60k 😭?
European here (we got the same problems, if you can't code c++, django and Go on a unicycle you're out).
I'm ok to be paid less if the alternative is to live in the USA.
I know plenty of people who would go from $130k to $90k if it meant a better / less stressful work environment.
I this supposed to be some brilliant revelation? Because if this "Expert" just spewed that elementary business theory as some kind of advanced thinking, I'd throw him out of my office.
Yes, waste the time of the person earning $135k. That makes perfect sense.
Yeah ... if you want a 135k person to interview, you... move the range to 135k. fucking shocking how that works.
"People don't want to work anymore"
Says the company who keeps pay at $12 per hour and wonders why only barely competent people are employed there
What are you trying to say? That you’d prefer not to pay people what they’re worth? I’m sure you’re a lot of fun at parties. Maybe you can snort $200 worth of coke for $40.
And if you don't list wages, you'll get exactly the same talent pool (at best), but you waste the time of people who are already earning more.
And then they get pissed off, never consider the recruiter again, and that recruiter ends up with a green circle.
It's like watching a child try to stack blocks.
That is a very long-winded way to say you want to hire people for less than the minimum amount of money you think they are worth.
So you want more talent than you're willing to pay for. Thanks for being honest, I guess? Of course that's putting aside the fallacious assumption that current income is always indicative of talent level.
Yes.
Now finish that thought
The horror of being honest in negotiations
It's worse than that. They need someone for a position. But they can't even be honest and open in the advertisement of that position! Talk about starting a professional relationship off on the wrong foot, when your future employer is dishonest from the very beginning...
If you want the $135k person, you need to offer them a bump from where they are currently to cover the unknowns of a new job
Especially given the state of the worldwide economy right now, I can't imagine any normal situation where you'd be able to negotiate someone's salary to 15-30% less than what they're already getting without offering some pretty substantial additional perks of equivalent value to bridge the gap.
If someone tried anything like that with me I'd probably end the interview on the spot. Though I'd probably not have even accepted the interview without knowing the range
If they're gonna try and short change you whilst trying to attract you into the business, it's gonna be a whole lot worse once you're dependent on the job.
Sure I’ll take the cut from 135 to 125. You’re ok with me cutting from 5 days to 3 days of course.
Also - always inflate the salary you tell recruiters (if they pressure you into it) unless it’s public data.
This has been exactly my pitch to recruiters who are trying to get me to take a pay cut. I could easily live on half my wage if I was only working 2 and 1/2 days a week and could supplement with the hobbies I have that I both enjoy and can make a little bit of cash.
Not a single one has even considered it. Even those offering half what I'm currently making.
That's... uhh... the point. For both companies and applicants.
If an applicant wants to accept a lower paying position for whatever reason, they'd still apply.
If a company doesn't want to pay above $X, then they won't waste time interviewing people who wouldn't accept less than $X.
If you don't post the salary range, then the person most likely to apply is nobody. Stop wasting people's time for your profit
I can picture John now, saying all this to his golfing buddies at a driving range, like he's a genius. One of them says "Hey John, that's excellent! You should post that on LinkedIn!".