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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 1 points 24 minutes ago (2 children)

Two things especially worth noting from the article.

If you have a non-Google build of Android on your phone, none of this applies.

This means that at least GrapheneOS will be unaffected for now. Other ROMs without gapps will be unaffected only as long as you don't install gapps. Since Graphene has a sandbox for them, I'm assuming it'll be fine. That is, unless Google decides to lock the bootloader entirely.

In September 2026, Google plans to launch this feature in Brazil, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand. The next step is still hazy, but Google is targeting 2027 to expand the verification requirements globally.

So most users worldwide still have at least 1.5 years until it's implemented. Plenty of time to get a Pixel and install Graphene on it. Or to figure out some other plan.

Don't get me wrong - this is insane, unreasonable and horrible news for everyone. We should push back as hard as physically possible against it. However, at the very least we still have some time to figure things out before the policy rolls out.

[–] lmuel@sopuli.xyz 3 points 20 minutes ago

I wouldn't be surprised if Google stop allowing BL unlocking soon... Following Samsung and Xiaomi (although Xiaomi technically can be unlocked, in reality you'll not be able to do so nowadays unless you pay someone to do it via remote USB shit for you)

[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 2 points 17 minutes ago

I'm getting Huawei

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 2 points 47 minutes ago

Ok this needs harsh pushback, because phones are affordable, computers are not. There needs to be a massive project dealing with making phones platform agnostic.

[–] simsalabim@lemmy.world 12 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

EU: How often do I have to teach you, old man?

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 3 points 45 minutes ago (2 children)

EU: Thank you Google for complying with the DSA.

https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/digital-services-act_en

This is a a huge part of it, the whole "prevent illegal" parts.

  • "easier reporting of illegal content"
  • "less exposure to illegal content"
  • "level-playing field against providers of illegal content"

The EU isn't going to punish them for this, they will hold this up as the golden standard.

[–] NicestDicerest@lemmy.world 1 points 11 minutes ago

Just as they did with Apple when they forced them to allow sideloading? So yeah, the EU will push massively against this if its implemented there.

[–] NotACIAPlant@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If you have the ability to, don't use a smartphone. You'll be better off and you don't have to care about stuff like this anymore.

[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 1 points 13 minutes ago

For real, when this thing rolls out, I'm going to stop updating and try to still use my foss apps for as long as they still work, once my phone eventually becomes useless I'm not going to spend 400 on an expensive phone just so I can run custom roms. I will have to just get used to not having a computer in my pocket all the time again.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 15 points 3 hours ago

I will pay hard cash money for some devs to bring postmarketos to quality hardware vendors.

I'm all for buying a pinephone, but man are we missing out on the full potential from some genuinely good OEM hardware stuff like razr flip.

Aside from google doing google things, android has been a bloated java pos toy OS for nearly a decade now. It completely wastes the full potential of superior hardware by running everything on a shitty JVM known as the ART that was designed for when devices had <512mb of RAM. A Nintendo 3DS can do better multi process tasking than modern android which regularly kills app threads for no reason other than to screw with you because you dared to switch to a different app for 5 seconds.

Android was supposed to be the big apple killer because of its closeness to a desktop OS with heavy emphasis on widespread features and functionality. Even technically speaking, rooting got you there if you wanted to run whatever straight on the linux environment or swap kernels.

Its nothing but a ripoff iOS clone now. Android 7/8 was probably the peak of development and usability, and even back then people were complaining it didn't have groundbreaking improvements like 6 or lollipop.

[–] dual_pyramid_reality@lemmings.world 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Where are all the open source phone OSes? Where are the OS agnostic capable hardware phones? Technically some do exist, but I don't think they have any significant market share. Hope I'm wrong though.

[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 1 points 15 minutes ago

Google slowly suffocated all the 3rd party rom vendors.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Essentially every browser that's not Firefox or Safari is reskinned Google chrome for a reason. Because it's insanely expensive to build and maintain browsers. Mobile operating systems aren't much different in this regard.

[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 32 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

FYI: Apple got sued for blocking other app stores. This would prevent f-droid from being installable

[–] peppy@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

f-droid would be verified right?

[–] RacerX@lemmy.zip 21 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I kinda miss my BlackBerry.

[–] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Kinda? More like deeply.

Hands down the best experience I have had on a phone was my z10. Over 10 years later, and I still use BlackBerry's keyboard.

[–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Do any alternatives allow using banking apps or android pay or android auto?

I realize there are no substitutes for banking apps, but are there any alternatives for android auto or pay if those cannot be installed? Preferably Linux alternatives.

[–] Havatra@lemmy.zip 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

/e/OS works with most, according to this list.

The founder of /e/OS has a blog where he talks about alternative payment solutions, and he mentions Curve being one.

I just recently ordered the Fairphone with /e/OS, and will be looking into this myself soon enough...

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 25 points 11 hours ago (7 children)

Did some research and here are your options:

  • use custom mod (the new restriction only applies to certified devices). You can use microG (/e/, iode, Lineage) or sandboxing (GrapheneOS) to run apps requiring Google services. Google will still try to kill it but my bet is it will still work for at least a couple of years
  • Ubuntu Touch - you can buy new devices with it, it can run android apps using waydroid but you will not be able to run any apps requiring google services. It can run native Linux apps. Native UT apps are build using QML. It has a completely new system API so it's closer to Android then native Linux. It's based on Halium which uses the kernel from Android
  • PostmarketOS - native Linux running native Linux apps. Can use waydroid. Few supported devices but everything works on PinePhone Pro and few others phones.
  • Droidian or similiar - Debian running on Halium. Kind of half way between PostmarketOS and Ubunut Touch. Native Linux but running on Android based kernel

Personally, I will stick with GrapheneOS for now (my Pixel still has at least 6 years of support). When I'm unable to run all the apps I need on it I will switch to two phones setup: stock Android for work/car apps, some Linux phone for everything else. When my Pixel dies I will switch to iPhone.

[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 1 points 13 minutes ago

What are u talking about. Were u living under a rock? - Google killed off most custom roms

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

What's a good custom ROM for a Samsung Fold 7? Just bought one and it's my dream phone so so I don't want to give it up so soon already, just so I can watch YouTube without ads. Planned on keeping it for at least the next 4-5 years...

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 2 hours ago

If you want to use custom ROMs you have to check support before buying a phone. Fold 7 is not supported by any custom ROMs from what I can see. Also, I'm pretty sure you can just use Fennec with Adblock on stock Android and not have ads.

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