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I'm not sure why this is supposed to be some kind of valid argument to someone.
People are running around comparatively naked, glowing bricks and boxes are everywhere babbling constantly. You can't drink the water in streams even if you boil it. Cars and planes and helicopters are all over. Women and people who aren't just land holding white men can participate in the government.
No shit they'd be horrified.
He's objectively wrong anyway.
He clearly doesn't know shit about our political history. We've done super shady shit since the beginning.
In fact the shit that's happening now isn't even new. It is so eerily similar to the shenanigans leading up to the civil war.
Ben Franklin was shagging French women for years. He also politically assassinated John Adams's French diplomat assignment. Got him kicked out of Paris so he could keep shagging French women alongside Jefferson.
I do think they’d be genuinely horrified at the power of the federal government, since that seemed to be a major concern for them.
Sure. That was the reason for the big initial split into a two party system.
Jefferson/Madison wanted weak federal government and Adams/Hamilton wanted a strong central government.
And never the two shall meet. (Both sides claimed it would be the end of the world if the other side ever gained power.)
If you’re talking politically, then I agree 100%, like you said, we’ve done terrible shit in this country from before day one.
If I’m thinking literally though, 250 years have passed, including the start of Industrial Revolution. They would have no idea what anything was or what was going on, just like what would happen if someone today was transported that far in the future. That’s why I always think this argument is stupid.
Just want to make the point that the founding fathers were still alive as the industrial revolution started.
But yeah, their minds would be blown.
I would always imagine them oohing and ahhing over all the "magic", but then shaking their heads at the same political shenanigans, SSDD.
John Adams had a reputation for honesty and his strong moral code, but then he still signed into law the alien and sedition acts.
And he WAS a founding father.
That was an interesting time though. I mean, they had almost no precedent for almost anything. So a president would do something, and if it worked or the other branches didn't shut him down, it kind of became the standard. And they were really flying blind in some situations.
(And the Supreme Court letting the president do what he wants even though it was clearly bullshit... That was also not uncommon, at least before the civil war.)
One thing is for certain though... the states have always been full of hypocritical, ignorant jackasses, that vote along party lines without understanding the issue.
9am and the first thing I see on Lemmy is Ben Franklin's O face.
Oh, what idiotic excuses they create just to quickly establish total control in order to retain their power. Although because of f****** China I'm afraid it's inevitable.