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Technically fruits are plants babies you know? And we eat them. Stop cruelty to plants!
If you're going to try to use biology to make an argument, no matter how bad the argument itself is, at least learn the third grade basics.
Fruits are made to be eaten. On purpose. They're not "plant babies" - they're precisely crafted to attract animals like you to eat them, the idea being that the seeds gets dispersed via the animal to a place farther away than the initial parent.
In other words, a plant spends a lot of energy creating a juicy fruit precisely so you can eat it.
Lots of animals snack on their babies after birth, can I munch on those?
I fail to see how that's in anyway relevant to my comment about fruit.
Even if you go by that logic what do you think cows eat? Way more soy beans are fed to a cow to produce the same amount of food for a human compared to if that human just ate the soy themselves. Veganism saves plant lives too.
cattle hardly eat any of the global soy crop. and only about 7% of the global soy crop is fed directly to animals. most of what is fed to livestock is the industrial waste from pressing soybeans for oil
What rubbish. The vast majority of soy feeds animal agriculture. https://www.wwf.org.uk/updates/soy-story
....after we extract oil from it
Rather that just being sinical why not try and find a reference? Here's another one https://ourworldindata.org/drivers-of-deforestation
I'm not being cynical. what I said is true
Reference?
your own last link has a chart that shows soy use. do you see how (almost) every bit of soy fed to livestock is soycake/soy meal? that is the byproduct of pressing soybeans for oil. if we didn't give it to livestock, it would be industrial waste.
What world are you on? Approximately 13% to 20% of the world's soy is used directly for oil (both human consumption and industrial/biofuel use). While nearly 77% of global soybean production is crushed for animal feed.
If you think different I'm open to being shown otherwise but it looks like you're straight wrong.
only 69% of the crop becomes soy cake. an additional 7% is given directly to livestock.
So I was misinformed on the percent of soy that was used from the oil industry. It still stands that most of it rather than being consumed by humans is eaten by animals. And not only is soy a high emission oil but that high percentage of the soy plant only makes up a small fraction of the feed by cattle.
the vast majority of what is consumed by animals would be waste from oil production. so humans do consume those beans, but give the leftovers to livestock. humans use 93 % of the soy, and any industrial waste is what is given to livestock
a soybean is only 20% oil. in order for 69% of the global crop to become suy cake, about 85% of the global crop must be pressed for oil. 20% of 85% is 17%. that's how much of the global soy crop ends up as oil according to that chart (between food oil and industrial applications).
I stand corrected my bad.
That's not waste, humans can and do eat it, ie. TVP and we'd probably eat a lot more of it if we cut down on meat consumption as it's a great source of protein. This is like saying chicken feet are industrial waste because people don't consume them proportionally to breast, thigh, leg etc. meat.
Even if cattle don't consume much soy as a percentage they are still less efficient then if we just eat what they eat because of trophic loss. If we want to save more plants and preserve more ecosystems for wild plants we need to reduce the land footprint of our diets, and the best way to do that is to eat less meat.
as you said, people already eat tvp. but not enough of it to prevent 69% of the global crop from becoming industrial waste
Who told you that complete nonsense?
Are you saying that we can do to cows whatever we want to do to fruits? We don't even treat cows well and you bend yourself backwards to say we should equate a cow to a fruit. Even when we know cows have sentience, preferences, and so on.
By that logic, if intelligent extraterrestrials arrived and forcibly raped me, I would not have a defense with all the bad points made in this thread.
All life is sacred you murderer!
Super intelligence on display.
Sir. This is /m/Lemmyshitpost.