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While I agree with you in a general blanket sense, there has to be a limit here. You can't let someone have a platform where they constantly advocate violence against millions of people to millions of people and then give him a pass because they didn't commit any visible acts of violence himself.
Do we say that Hitler is only responsible for the people he himself killed, or do we see him as the murderer of some 6 million Jewish people? Or how about Joeseph Goebbels? He had little to no legislative power, and as far as I'm aware we don't have any direct records of him killing anyone. Does he get the pass because he was just the messenger?
I understand your position, and in a general sense I agree with you, but there's an important intangible threshold that some notable rhetorical violence has passed lately, and we need to treat that as the existential threat that it is. I'd love to deal with such threats via lawful imprisonment and rehabilitation, but the government is currently aiding and abetting these people, because they're the same people. So, what's the solution? Minorities live in fear, day to day, until they're the next people on the list to wind up in prisons, camps and asylums?
The buck has to stop somewhere, or we just accept the extinction of anyone outside of the right-wing sphere.
Look, Hitler and Goebbels both directly ordered the deaths of civilians. It's intellectually dishonest to say Charlie Kirk was doing anything equivalent. There's a difference between hateful and violent rhetoric generally and actively managing and overseeing death camps.
I agree theres a limit, but I would put it at when you're rhetoric becomes action. Both Hitler and Goebbels took active actions that lead to peoples deaths. Actions that were more than simple rhetoric in the public sphere.
The only difference is authority. If he had the authority to directly order deaths, he would have.
So scenes like the Pulse nightclub shooting, chuds with guns raiding drag queen storytime events, and all the other anti-lgbtq attacks that Kirk and those like him had a direct influence on through their constant flood of hate and calls for violence just don't count then, eh?