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My take on the veganism I've come to know personally is that vegans think they put themselves in the place of animals, but what I see is they put the animals in their own place. In this case, they think that consent should be placed in the animal realm because they believe it for themselves.
This is actually well put. To be honest, I only eat less meat (never really eat red meat unless it is served on special ocations) primarily because of the environment (meat production is far the biggest cause of poluted lands and forrest decrease on earth.) and health. Much meat and in those amounts, isn't good for your overall health throughout a whole lifetime.
The hole killing thing... As a hunter myself, I have seen what nature does on it's own. I can say that the way most people kill animals is far more humane than how animals treat animals in nature. Nature is fucking cruel, and so are we.
We get wrapped up in our abstract thought about animals so much that sometimes we forget that we are them.
You're no man. You're not even a mammal! You're an anti-mammal. I call you "an-i-mal".
I can't make much sense of your statement. I am flexitarian with a strong leaning towards vegetarian (meat is a rare exception) and a convenient leaning towards veganism (I love cheese, sowwy). But the reason I avoid animal products is because if I can enjoy good food without animals being hurt, then I will prefer that to eating animal products, for which animals get hurt. That's a very easy decision and doesn't involve nor require consent of any kind.
It's fine if you don't make much sense of it. It surely wasn't easy to put in words, so maybe I screwed it up. I'm a person who happens to eat a similar diet than yours. And yeah, I'd prefer food with minimal suffering of animals, if I get to choose. I frequently don't get to choose, reality does that to many of us.
fair enough. Eating animals is definitely "natural", but humans have evolved to a point where we can live vegetarian / vegan without suffering malnutrition, and since we have both the least empathetic as well as the most empathetic living beings among our species, there's a good argument to be made for eating vegetarian / vegan when given the option.