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NDP statement on Iran bombings (www.ndp.ca)
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Following the events in Iran, Alexandre Boulerice, NDP Foreign Affairs Critic, issued the following statement:

"The NDP strongly condemns the American and Israeli bombings of Iran. This is a dangerous escalation that risks dragging the entire region into a major conflict. The oppressive and bloody regime of the Ayatollahs is reprehensible, but its nuclear program must be managed through the United Nations and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). In fact, its Director General, Mr. Grossi, recently indicated that he was working with the Iranian administration to resume inspections and reiterated that there could be no solution other than a diplomatic one.

The NDP deplores the Carney government's decision to blindly support this dangerous venture by Israel and Donald Trump's administration. We want Canada to be a voice for diplomacy, peace, and international law."

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[–] patatas@sh.itjust.works 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Here's the thing though: Israel would not exist without the US, but the US would exist without Israel.

So, the idea that it's some (((Israeli puppet masters))) controlling the US, rather than the US being ultimately in charge, is indeed an antisemitic trope — one which we are seeing pushed by US far-right influencers who, wouldn't you know it, are rabid antisemites.

Edit: I do agree however that Canada's recognition of the Palestinian state was pretty hollow

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Conflating antisemitism with antizionism is what is realty antisemitic. Israel have Muslims and Christians who some even agree with the policies of occupation and are joining the occupation force. So the idea that saying Israel is doing this is antisemites is some BS .

Are you denying that aipac is not influencing congressman and put pressure on them to agree with Israel policies of settler colonialism? Do you really think there is no similar lobby in Canada that try to shut down anti occupation supporters?

I agree israel do not control the USA it is about serving their own perspective evil interests but people who don't see that are not necessarly antisemitic but just naive and think usa support for israel is unconditionally for no reasons

[–] patatas@sh.itjust.works 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I am not conflating antisemitism with anti-zionism. My point is that Trump and his cabinet (and the Dem leadership) are Zionists. Earlier you implied that Trump is having his "strings pulled". All I am saying is, that's not the power dynamic here.

Edit: sorry — the strings pulled comment was someone else. But it was the context for my reply

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You heard the word Israel you immediately thought about jews you are indeed conflating both. I never applied that Trump is having his “strings pulled”. I am one of the very few online who reject the idea that Trump is going to war just for Israel alone and that israel is blackmailing him to murder people

[–] patatas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

See my edit to the last post - and tbh I think we actually agree on all this.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I am more bothered at how you hear Israel you automatically think of Jews as if all jews support Israel policies and Zionism

[–] patatas@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Please at least listen and give me the benefit of the doubt here.

The thing I objected to is the "trump having his strings pulled" part which plays into to well-worn antisemitic tropes of a cabal of Jews running the world like puppeteers.

I'll admit that there is some ambiguity in how to read that initial comment, however, and I can totally understand where you're coming from with your reading of what they said initially.

The Majority Report did a good short segment recently about this. I was just about to see if I could find it, and I'll post it if I do.

Edit: here's the clip. The point I am trying to make is explained at around the 5-6 minute span. (For the record, so there's no confusion, I am posting this edit after a few more comments back and forth following this one) https://youtu.be/XhSuQpFPhwo

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

The thing I objected to is the “trump having his strings pulled” part which plays into to well-worn antisemitic tropes of a cabal of Jews running the world like puppeteers.

Again those people believe that trump having his strings pulled by **Israel **not jews. You hear Israel you automatically think jews . You are not giving anybody who believe that the benefit of the doubt that they really mean Israel not jews. People who believe the theory believe it not being they think jews control the USA but rather because American Zionists are buying politicians with Aipac and because the Epstein files show strong relation between Epstein and Israeli and Zionist leaders. They also don't understand that american elites profits from wars and how the middle east was a very important region for empires for centuries

  • The Middle East was the only viable path for the Silk Road. The Roman Empire and the Parthian/Sassanid Empires fought for centuries over the Levant and Mesopotamia specifically to control the customs duties of these trade routes.

  • The Siege of Constantinople (1453) : this siege forced Europeans power to find a way around the middle east

  • The middle east was called the lifeline of the British empire and Britain wanted to prevent the Russian Empire from moving south into the Middle East, which would have allowed Russia to cut off Britain’s access to India

The USA would like to control the region and the straight of Hormuz that is exactly why he attacked Iran. We have too much example of how foreign intervention do not help the population and instead create failed states and civil wars

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Creating failed states and civil wars is the point. They'd rather Iran be a war-torn wasteland than be a thorn in their side.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

I agree. Yet the other fool keep talking about how the usa and israel will save Iranians

[–] patatas@sh.itjust.works 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

OK so you aren't willing to give me the same benefit of the doubt that I tried to extend to you.

I doubt that you'll believe me when I say (truthfully) that I am an anti-Zionist Jew, but you seem to be making a lot of assumptions and extrapolations about what I believe, even when I am telling you, I think quite clearly but perhaps not(?), the narrow point I am making about the words used in someone else's post.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I am sorry but it is you who started with the idea that Israel controlling the USA is just an antisemitism propaganda talking point. I don't think you can blame me when I keep hearing false accusation of antisemitism that in real life can cost someone job . You don't know the financial situation of those people

[–] patatas@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

I posted the clip from the Majority Report above. I hope you'll watch it, because it shows how we do in fact broadly agree, but makes the distinction about the construction of "Israel controls the US" vs the other way around, which, again, is the point I was making this entire time.

[–] patatas@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago

I'll again concede that there is definitely ambiguity in the comment that we're discussing.

And I hear what you're saying about consequences of unfounded accusations - but luckily, we're on a pseudonymous forum where it's (hopefully!) possible to discuss how various words and phrases can carry unintended meaning, and discuss all this (hopefully!) without any of those dire consequences.

This topic is, to say the least, incredibly fraught. And I totally see why you understood my initial comment the way you did. I could have done much better with my phrasing, which is obviously ironic given the point I was trying to make.

But I do believe we're on the same side here. ✌️