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If there weren't cars, there'd still be buses, vans, trucks.
There's a big difference between a constant stream of cars with noise from every direction, and the occasional delivery vehicle that you can hear coming.
You know those electric ones are quiet now, right ?
Yes, I have one.
Assuming no stream of load cars nearby, they are either loud enough to hear (tyre noise), or slow enough to not worry about.
Which are driven by professional, experienced drivers who get fired for driving too fast. Not average morons pissed they have to wait a whole ten seconds for a pedestrian to cross the road.
It sounds like this post is about pedestrians not paying attention and walking into traffic, though. It doesn't matter if they're driving too fast, if someone's not paying attention and walks out in front of a bus....
I think you're making a different but equally valid argument.
People walk out in front of buses all the time. Know what happens? The bus stops. Because it's going at a reasonable speed and driven by a driver that's actually good at driving. The only time this isn't the case is when it's a long-distance bus going at highway speeds. It's really simple; replacing multiple vehicles driven by amateurs with one vehicle driven by a professional will save lives, regardles of what pedestrians are doing.
Yeah, on top of the car free fantasy, that may come to pass in a few decades, we may as well imagine that professional drivers will somehow stop driving terribly as well.
I don't think most peoples' dreams of a walkable utopia include those things, but you make a good point.
No, it does. The notion that urbanists want to get rid of delivery vehicles is a strawman argument used to attack us.