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[–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 157 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Have you tried introducing unnecessary complexity?

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you know how your setup works, then that's a great time for another project that breaks everything.

[–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Saturday morning: "Incus and podman seem interesting. I bet I could swap everything over while the family is out this afternoon"

Sunday evening: "Dad, when will the lights work again?"

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“Dad, when will the lights work again?

As soon as selinux decides I have permission.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The old lighting wasn't that great anyway. If I were to just put lighting on a DMX512-controlled network, then all of it could be synchronized to whole-house audio...

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 3 points 1 day ago

Don't forget to integrate it into Home Assistant so you can alert the ISS when the mail man is on the porch.

[–] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Infrastructure diagram? No! In this homelab we refer to the infrastructure hyperdodecahedron.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It seems like a good time to learn graphviz's dot format for the network layout diagrams, with automated layout.

https://mamchenkov.net/wordpress/2015/08/20/graphviz-dot-erds-network-diagrams/

[–] chM5tZ8zMp@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Sure. What that guy is using is actually not the most-interesting diagram style, IMHO, for automatic layout of network maps, if you want large-scale stuff, which is where the automatic layout gets more interesting. I have some scripts floating around somewhere that will generate very large network maps


run a bunch of traceroutes, geolocate IPs, dump the results into an sqlite database, and then generate an automatically laid-out Internet network map. I don't want to go to the trouble of anonymizing the addresses and locations right now, but if you have a graphviz graph and want to try playing with it, I used:

goes looking

Ugh, it's Python 2, a decade-and-a-half old, and never got ported to Python 3. Lemme gin up an example for the non-hierarchical graphviz stuff:

graph.dot:

graph foo {
    a--b
    a--d
    b--c
    d--e
    c--e
    e--f
    b--d
}

Processed with:

$ sfdp -Goverlap=prism -Gsep=+5 -Gesep=+4 -Gremincross -Gpack -Gsplines=true -Tpdf -o graph.pdf graph.dot

Generates something like this:

That'll take a ton of graphviz edges and nicely lay them out while trying to avoid crossing edges and stuff, in a non-hierarchical map. Get more complicated maps that it can't use direct lines on, it'll use splines to curve lines around nodes. You can create massive network maps like this. Note that I was last looking at graphviz's automated layout stuff about 15 years ago, so it's possible that they have better layout algorithms now, but this can deal with enormous numbers of nodes and will do reasonable things with them.

I just grabbed his example because it was the first graphviz network map example that came up on a Web search.

[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

unnecessary complexity?

I can help with that. It's a skill I have. LOL

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Haha too right mate

[–] Zink@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

This is just as true in my non-computer hobbies that involve physical systems instead of code and configs!

If I had to just barely meet the requirements using as little budget as possible while making it easy for other people to work on, that would be called "work." My brain needs to indulge in some over-engineering and "I need to see it for myself" kind of design decisions.