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If you believe in democracy, personal rights, and capitalism ... congrats, you're a liberal.
(Though, given how much modern 'conseravtives' hate democracy and personal rights, a lot of them aren't really liberal anymore. They're fascist.)
๐ผ One of these things ๐ถ Is not like the other ๐ถ
๐ผ One of these things ๐ถ Is not like its brother ๐ถ
"This far and no further" politics is a pox on conservatives and liberals alike. This is one of the reasons you see Gavin Newsom fucking around with TERFs in the name of fairness in college athletics. Its one of the reasons why so many people soured on Barack Obama inside his first term.
"Personal Rights" always seem to terminate at the edge of popular consensus.
Well, yeah. It's perfectly acceptable to believe in two of those things and not the third.
That just means you're not a liberal.
(And really, since capitalism constantly corrodes democracy and personal rights, being a liberal is kind of a self-contradictory nonsense stance. Shame that so many people still are liberals.)
*bourgeois democracy (people's democracies are good)
All forms of democracy are liberal types of governance.
"Either hundreds of millions of people have always predisposed to the lure of the fascist, in which case the entire democratic endeavor is doomed anyway, or something of corporate liberalism has brought us here. Whatever the quality of its rhetoric, any politics that buckles at the prospect of even mildly inconveniencing the rich, or resisting an ally's genocidal intentions, will always face an uphill battle against a politics that actively embraces malice. "Yes We Can" is a conditional. "Yes We Will" is not."
One Day Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This, Chapter 3
Nope, socialist democracy exists and is a break from individualist styles of democracy espoused by liberalism.
Typical .world lib doesn't understand what they're talking about.
Itโs fully within the principles of self-governance and communal determination which are core tenets and flow from classical liberalism.
Try again.
How does, say, China's model of Whole Process People's Democracy, a form of democracy based on consultative democracy, flow from classical liberalism? Liberal models of voting for parties or single representatives don't map at all to China's form of democracy, yet China is consistently seen as more democratic by its own citizens than liberal democracies are by their own citizens:
These are stark differences and are reflective of Marxism as opposed to liberalism.
So communists are liberals?
Holy shit chapo was right about it.
You mean capitalist dictatorship / rule by the rich. We should not allow the liberals to call their sham system / theatre piece of stacked elections picked by the rich, a "democracy".
"Personal rights" too, which includes the ownership of private property, which is definitely not what socialists support
Yup. They're not looking to conserve a thing, they'd much rather burn down modern society as a whole.