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Do you want Cascadia?
Because this is how you get Cascadia.
Literally 0 chance that BC would join a MAGA controlled USA.
... Non-zero chance that it would join WA OR and CA, should an actual dual civil war kick off.
California can’t survive intact without the Colorado river, so you need to convince at least NV, AZ, UT, and probably CO to come too. If California left but Nevada was still part of Trumplandia one of the first things they would do is shut off all outflow from the Hoover Dam.
Yeah, thats a great example of where you run into the differences between 'Cascadia' as a bioregion, defined primarily by watershed networks, snd 'Cascadia' as a maybe possible legal/political entity, based on current existing borders.
IIRC, the bioregion Cascadia basically only extends down to bits of Northern California... but the political reality doesn't match well with this at all.
Perhaps state delegates could all send couriers to Goodsprings for a conference, to hash out the details, lol.
Cascadia vs Greater California vs ... New Zion/Deseret?
Political divisions tend to use rivers as borders because they’re naturally difficult to cross, but mountain ranges/watershed boundaries would make much more sense for self-sufficiency among the divisions without excessive squabbling. Although BC/Alberta did a good job in that regard!
So yes, it’s mostly Northern California that could join the Cascadia party. Hence my qualifier of “intact”. Unfortunately, NorCal is predominantly on the red team politically.
It wouldn’t be as devastating (or possible) to cut off the Pend Oreille or Spokane rivers from adding to the Columbia.
For reference, in case anyone wants to see what we're talking about more directly:
https://cascadiabioregion.org/nine-regions-of-cascadia
(I picked this one because I am a blatant Seattle Supremacist /s)
So yeah, you'd have to overlay this kind of a map with say, county level political maps for the US, apologies to Canadians, I do not know what the Canadian approximate equivalent of a county is.
But yeah, then look at rivers, origin points, watersheds, dams, other critical infrastructure, etc, to see how this could possibly shake out.
The Greater Idaho idea was originally to essentially carve off as many counties in eastern WA and OR, basically east of the Cascades, and... move them into Idaho:
https://moveoregonsborder.org/the-maps/
I ... guess they gave up on trying to take Spokane.
But uh yeah so basically everywhere between the Cascades, down to Medford, down further to Redding... would potentially be a war zone.
Like, I5 south of Portland would be a critical artery and thus a warzone, probably same with I90.
Personally, if this happens, I'm counting it as yet another thing Deus Ex ended up predicting.
There's a conversation you can have with an ex NSF soldier, who tells you about how his squad got wiped out at 'Squalnomie', by other troops with thermoptic camo.
Squalnomie -> Snoqualmie, as in Snoqualmie Pass, I would assume.
At 32% approval, and blatant election rigging plans, a constitutional convention should occur instead of planning around impeachment for last 2 years of term.
Yeah, water distribution would be weaponized.
Non-zero? How about 100%? Every single person I've ever spoken with about this idea in my life has been on board. I bet 85-90% of the public would support it if the facts could be communicated to them without interference (so, never)
Cascadia would be insanely powerful and competitive on the world stage, probably a superpower.
Just remember that the Union already set a precedent of burning seceding states to the ground. The US would 100% do it again.
The immediate problem would be that Idaho, eastern OR and eastern WA are very very seriously trying to do the whole Greater Idaho thing, and are basically chalk full of armed white supremacist theocrat bigots.
So... yeah.
I guess the 'good' news is that western WA has JBLM and a lot of Navy bases, and maybe enough of them would align with Cascadia ... ?
The bad news is the Holy State of Greater Idaho would probably be able to dash and seize Hanford, and then be able to make dirty nuclear bombs.
But anyway...
Throw in Hawaii and then Cascadia and Japan and SK can form a trading bloc, and theoretically be able to back that up with maybe a little bit of the formerly US Navy?
Total spitballing here.
Alaska sure would be completely fucked.
Airline fuel is pretty expensive these days... for some reason... Didn't BC/Yukon already basically say 'fuck you' to US truckers going between Alaksa and the 48, or I am not remembering that right?
It takes 34 states to declare constitutional convention. Once it starts, no rules. If one of the agenda items include redrawing state lines for more unity, can give more power to groups/states to join separate unions that advance their values.
Dems currently control only 18 State Legislatures.
Best case scenario... (imo):
Dems gain Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, New Hampshire, Georgia, North Carolina, Texas, Florida, Virgina.
So thats 27.
So... you'd then have to get 5 Rep State Legislatures on board with this.
Which might (?) be possible, there's still a fair deal of 'National Divorce' sentiment on the right generally.
... and then, all hell would break loose.
I think there was some kind of levy they had to pay, but definitely not a complete ban. I don't think it stuck.