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[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

No, the fascists scapegoat minorities and direct that rage towards them. Rage can be sated vicariously and ICE, the police, and the military provide that when they are vicious to out groups. It functions like bottling it up in the long run though because that violence doesn't resolve any of the actual sources of that rage. Relief doesn't require an outlet for the rage but a resolution for its source.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Are you disagreeing with me? I agree with everything you say. Even your emphasis on subjective human emotion leading to objective action or consequence is spot on.

Fascism is a byproduct of capitalism. Oppressing outgroups is a needed function of the state, just like keeping a middle class is a needed function of a state, and the two functions are deeply connected.

Fascist rage is Middle class fear. Middle class fear comes from constant threat of financial ruin, and humiliation. Telling people not to show distress is a way of keeping people from sharing their distress, and organizing themselves along the material basis of that distress.

If something bad is happening at work, but something worse might happen if i sign a union card, then i might not sign that card. Hell, i'll probably even tell myself that its not that bad, I'll suck it up, its hard but thats what makes me deserve it, which means that other guy deserves what he got, which means the boss deserves what he got.

Then the boss gives me a manager position for being company material. And I'll tell the employees to suck it up when they have problems, because that's what I know. Fucking people over becomes a virtue, showing emotion or caring about people gets considered a weakness. And that suits the bosses, the capitalists, just fine. Sound familiar?

Fascism is just scab ideology. Its the belief that what is best for society is for me to screw over everyone around me, except the boss who abuses me a little less for it.

You say that violence doesn't fix the problem, but thats because it doesn't fix our problems. If, from someone's perspective, the problems of society are :

  1. The poors are actin up
  2. Capitalists aren't making money fast enough and need to force people to take lower wages
  3. Fascists don't have state power
  4. A large group of workers needs divided (read violently oppressed)

Then fascism might be the answer to the problem. Fascism isn't an idea in someone's brain, it is a set of circumstances in society. Problems in society make some people want to change society to eliminate the problems, and other people who want to benefit personally from the continuation of those problems, and creation of new ones. The first group wants to hear your grievances, and the second group wants to shut you up.

Have you ever read What is National Socialism?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

It was intended more as a clarification than a disagreement, as I was focused on a different part of fascism when I read that and agree with your additions. It channels the anger away from the true causes towards scapegoats that have nothing to do with the problems, or that are tangentially related, or maybe the other side in some other (legitimate or not) conflict.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

An important part of it is that they don't simply redirect the anger. They actively and intentionally create problems that lead to more anger, then redirect it.

How do you get everyone pissed off at illegal immigrants? You first create a system that makes legal immigration impossible for most while also propping up an economy that rewards the use of underpaid migrant laborers with no rights. Now that you've created a problem that involves migrants, you blame the migrants for all problems to drum up support for your movement.

And the beauty of it is, people don't have to be on your side. Once the debate over immigration gets fired enough, you've won. All the fighting over immigration is misdirection from your actual goals.