cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/8485777
Burn all US politicians
this post was submitted on 13 May 2026
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Probably because it does nothing to actually keep those who accept genocide out of office. Don't get me wrong, the intentions are noble, it's just impotent as a strategy. The genocide rages on, indifferent to noble intentions. But now lots of additional people are suffering too.
The opinion makes sense to deontologists, but to the teleologists of the world it rightfully seems insane.
Allow me to clarify the position
Again, a noble intention, but it did not actually accomplish that goal.
Sometimes things do not happen instantly, and we should not lower ourselves to supporting genocide just because doing that is instant.
That doesn't mean that this strategy will ever work. It won't happen instantly, but it also won't even happen eventually.
Allow me to clarify the position. It's like a child that learns their mother has cancer; even with expensive treatment, there's no guarantee treatment will end her suffering or defeat the cancer. So the child decides to take the money for treatment and spend it instead on building a shrinking ship like in The Fantastic Voyage to go into their mother to attack the cancer directly.
Yes, a noble intention, but the strategy is a pure fantasy, and all it's actually done is remove resources from a treatment that might actually accomplish something.
It's a childish fantasy that directly harms people.
Take a look in the fucking mirror. You've been doing lesser evil for decades, and all that happened is that you now support genocide and dog rape
We get it. You chose not to pull the lever.
You can try to ease your conscience by saying that at some vague point in the future you can destroy the trolley entirely, but that is the future. The trolley problem already occurred. It already went past the switch, there's no going back and changing that. You chose not to pull it, you have to live with that.
I think you've responded to the wrong person? I'm a lever-puller.
No you aren't, you choose to keep sitting by and letting the trolly run over hundreds of thousands of people
from a deontologist's view, refusing to play along with a system that enables genocide is the only moral move. you don't need it to be effective. you need to not be complicit. that's the intention and goal that you seem to be miss understanding.
teleologists call that insane because they only care about outcomes. but that's exactly the problem -- their framework treats genocide as just another variable to optimize around instead of the human & ethical tragedy it is in irl and it's not a bug; it's the system working as designed.
so when people choose not to operate inside the american system's confines -- where genocide is a natural outcome -- they aren't being naive. they're rejecting that system entirely. they're acting like deontologists in a world that only rewards teleologists. that's not a misunderstanding. that's a refusal.
it's a refusal and the only sane response to a system that has genocide and ethnic-cleansing baked into its logic.
I completely understand that intention and goal. But it's literally just virtue signaling. Teleology is concerned with securing the most favorable outcome, deontology only cares about preserving individual moral superiority. The teleologists obviously recognize the ethical tragedy, they're just more interested in trying to save as many people as they can than keeping their hands clean and pure.
Deontology is self-centered and immature. It's feels over reals. Who cares how many people suffer and die, at least you personally didn't participate.
Except that rejection accomplishes nothing. It does nothing to stop, or even slow, ongoing genocide. It's a the ethical equivalent of shutting your eyes and plugging your ears.
The situation isn't even really comparable to the trolley problem, because Gaza was on both tracks. By not pulling the lever, Gaza was not spared. All inaction accomplished was the suffering of all the other people on the straight track.
you're proving my point here without realizing it.
the two tracks are an american framing. pull the lever or don't. vote for the lesser evil or don't. those are the only choices your system lets you consider.
but here's what you're missing: both tracks were laid by the same people fostering the genocide. the lever is a prop. "pulling it" doesn't stop the train; it just makes you feel like you did something.
and here's the part many won't touch: the same system you're defending as "pragmatic" has a body count outside your borders that dwarfs anything it saves inside them. a conservative estimate puts the number of people killed by us sanctions alone at 38 million over 50 years (and that's ignoring the genocides and ethnic cleansings). that's not a rounding error. that's more people than the population of canada. that's the cost of your "realism."
furthermore, consider the numbers most americans care about: how many americans has the system saved by being "pragmatic" inside the voting booth? because 38 million dead outside vs. dramatically less inside -- that's not a trade-off; that's a slaughter masked as strategy.
western teleologists have self groomed themselves into thinking pragmatism means picking between two options handed down by the ruling class. anything outside that frame gets called "virtue signaling" or "immature" because it threatens the real game: managing genocide, not ending it.
deontology isn't about clean hands. it's about refusal to legitimize a system where genocide is a natural outcome. and that refusal isn't inaction -- it's the foundation of any actual alternative. you can't build a track that doesn't lead to a better destination if you keep praising people for getting good at pulling the lever.
also the person who refuse isn't plugging their ears; they're saying the whole track-switching game is rigged so they're not going to cooperate. that's not self-centered. that's the only sane response to a system that made you believe the trolley is the only world that exists.
When a country makes torture, rape, and genocide a bipartisan policy, the most favourable outcome is whatever will collapse it the fastest. If you were actually sincere in your argument, you would have to vote for Trump.
But you're not sincere, you're just trying to justify exterminating hundreds of thousands of people for your own self interest.
We get it youre OK with genocide as long as its your people doing it.
I don't believe for a second you would still believe it was insane if it was you and your family being tortured, raped by dogs, and murdered on mass
"But now lots of additional people are suffering too."
Americans getting a taste of their own medicine.
And it is the only good strategy.
You may not win the first time but voting for the uniparty with a choice between moving to the extreme-right fast or a bit slower is what got them there.
I guess your teleologists don't see that's the only purpose they are working towards.
It's a guaranteed losing strategy and it's totally their own fault.