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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah, it does the usual loop where snopes says it's fake and then random other shitty sources say it's fake.

There are a few problems now with sourcing:

  • Mainstream media won't look into these kind of things except for maybe Propublica
  • Snopes can't be trusted. I've seen them say "partially true" when their descriptions say 100% true multiple times. They seem to have a right wing bend.
  • These random sites that have different names, but all look the same, all say similar things as snopes.

All that being said, none of this can be proven, so I wouldn't trust it either. Also, it tells me that we need to protect Wikipedia.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

maybe Propublica

Maybe 404 Media.

But yeah, it really doesn't matter. Follow it through to its conclusion. Say we have the evidence and can prove the election was stolen. What of it? Trump will just apologize and step down? Will it undo all the damage done so far? And say you do follow the thread and the evidence doesn't stack up? Then what are you left with?

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're right 404 media should be on that list too. They're very good.

Trump will just apologize and step down?

No, he would never do that, lol. He's not going to step down from this term unless he dies from natural causes.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 21 hours ago

"Natural" you say? That includes lead poisoning, right?

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

It's important internationally in ways that would have domestic impact. If the market loses confidence in the US the tide cannot be stemmed. Kill trade, tourism and the dollar faster. Most importantly an unending bond sell off.

This also legitimizes resistance and sets up the moral high ground for the next stage everyone is waiting for.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 1 day ago

The best I could find outside of snopes is a reasonable dive into the material by another redditor:

https://www.reddit.com/r/50501Movement/comments/1mfs6i4/debunked_excia_whistleblower_the_nsa_audited_the/

Tldr:

"Remember, there could be valid facts mixed in with all of this. That’s how conspiracy theories work. They pull together real facts and truth and then mix it all up with allegations and unfounded theories to come to a completely outlandish conspiracy. There very well could be issues with election machines. I think there’s some credible evidence that the 2024 election was tampered with.

However, this specific claim holds no water. There is no proof that this man ever worked for the CIA. There is no proof that he conducted an audit with the NSA.

And further, the more of his work you read, the more clear it becomes that he is just another terminally online conspiracy wacko which should kill all of his credibility."

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

That isn't going great. They have a lot of staff living in the US and a Musk problem.