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Apologies if I'm not a regular reader of Jörmungandr, but I need this from a more reputable source. I want to take in whats being said, but recognize the importance of trust and how that applies to a modern information landscape driven by fraud, conspiracy and AI.
If this is real, its going to need to break through in a more traditional manner.
Yeah, it does the usual loop where snopes says it's fake and then random other shitty sources say it's fake.
There are a few problems now with sourcing:
All that being said, none of this can be proven, so I wouldn't trust it either. Also, it tells me that we need to protect Wikipedia.
Maybe 404 Media.
But yeah, it really doesn't matter. Follow it through to its conclusion. Say we have the evidence and can prove the election was stolen. What of it? Trump will just apologize and step down? Will it undo all the damage done so far? And say you do follow the thread and the evidence doesn't stack up? Then what are you left with?
You're right 404 media should be on that list too. They're very good.
No, he would never do that, lol. He's not going to step down from this term unless he dies from natural causes.
"Natural" you say? That includes lead poisoning, right?
It's important internationally in ways that would have domestic impact. If the market loses confidence in the US the tide cannot be stemmed. Kill trade, tourism and the dollar faster. Most importantly an unending bond sell off.
This also legitimizes resistance and sets up the moral high ground for the next stage everyone is waiting for.
The best I could find outside of snopes is a reasonable dive into the material by another redditor:
https://www.reddit.com/r/50501Movement/comments/1mfs6i4/debunked_excia_whistleblower_the_nsa_audited_the/
Tldr:
"Remember, there could be valid facts mixed in with all of this. That’s how conspiracy theories work. They pull together real facts and truth and then mix it all up with allegations and unfounded theories to come to a completely outlandish conspiracy. There very well could be issues with election machines. I think there’s some credible evidence that the 2024 election was tampered with.
However, this specific claim holds no water. There is no proof that this man ever worked for the CIA. There is no proof that he conducted an audit with the NSA.
And further, the more of his work you read, the more clear it becomes that he is just another terminally online conspiracy wacko which should kill all of his credibility."
That isn't going great. They have a lot of staff living in the US and a Musk problem.
You're not a reader. That's the name of a free book. How would you be a regular reader of a singular book?
So its not even a scientific journal under which claims undergo scrutiny and review?
Even less worth offering one iota more of attention.
You reread what you just typed and think about it. Scientific Journal. Wow.
40th phrack just came out. Seems relevant...
Why would i offer someone promoting conspiracy theory drivel the principal of charity?
Because your pathological need to seek validation and prove yourself right has you coming back wasting time talking to me, a person who thinks you're an arrogant armchair intellectual. And that's as much a waste of time as all the rest of your impotent bitchy posts.
Why not read instead?
They said as they returned back to the thread seeking validation and to prove themselves right.
The reason I won't engage with conspiratorial thinking is because I know better than to give bad faith arguers charity or space. If you don't have the ability to establish standards of quality for the material you promote, do us all a favor and don't promote any ideas or content, because the only thing impotent here is you while you try and have 8 arguments across different threads of people rejecting this.
Sure but at least I own it. And I get it right, which is far better than whatever you are doing.
I'm aware this is a waste of time and find you funny. Angsty grad student vibes mixed with an undeserved sense of superiority.
You know what the Dunning Krueger curve is I'm sure. I bet you think you plot on the right side for a dozen subjects you never studied.
It really doesn't matter. You are promoting unfounded conspiratorial thinking and that needs to be pushed back on. Its a cultural disease to do so, and its even worse to promote it. Develop some rigor to your thinking instead of the slop you've asked people to "do their own research on" here.
Cultural disease. lol /b/tard. Pretending to have a degree.
Saying someone is pretending to have a degree or is pretending to be educated seems to be a consistent method of personal attack for you. It must be tough, going around with an inferiority complex. And yes, some of us are highly educated, but few are as fortunate as I am, where I do get to dedicate my time to contributing intellectually. But at least you recognize the importance of education and critical thinking, even if you yourself don't seem to know how to apply it.
Conspiracies, or thinking born of such; are enemies of reason and the mind. A sloven, toxic habit of the brain; that must be rooted out where it is found.
You're a snob and I'm 99% sure I hit multiple nerves. So yes, feels like tom about to play a rhapsody 🥸.
You keep pretending you're special and conspiracys don't exist, I'm gonna change a light bulb and refresh my MLK assassination history.
It’s pretty clear whose nerves are hit right here. And if you can't handle people pushing back on your lazy thinking, don't put it in the commons.
The guy responding with quotes, paragraphs and images or the one on the shitter?
Idk. You seem pretty triggered. Maybe it has to do with how you engage emotionally with ideas instead of intellectually.
What emotion? What intellect? You're a master debator lol. Your argument is circularly arguing conspiracies are bad mmmkay. Dropout.
You the one out here promoting conspiracy theory without evidence then telling people to "do their own reading". You determine truth by how it makes you feel, emotionally, rather than based on what we have evidence for or a lack of evidence for. That's what children and under-developed adults do.
Its also why we're here; its why I drug you down deep into the thread where people will have to click through multiple threads to see whats going on: most wont bother.
Conspiratorial thinking is an emotional response to uncertainty. We as people don't like living with not knowing; we're not wired for it. We'd rather an emotionally pleasurable story rather than uncertainty.
But its really just laziness. There is no actual excuse for it.
Life must be hard being so severely autistic. Pro tip, don't repeat yourself like this IRL, it's one of the reasons people avoid you.
I mean as long as I'm stopping conspiracy dribbling saboteurs to the social contract, I think I'll be all right.
All conspiracies are false is as intellectually lazy as all conspiracies are true.
Also you're going to die alone having achieved nothing of note.
Well thats rude. And granted, while we all do die alone, at least until the end I'll have my partner in marriage, my supportive community, and my extensive friend group to get me through.
Don't tell my co-authors that. They'd be very disappointed to find out that none of the many, and honestly, surprisingly well cited publications we've been able get out into the world aren't worthy of note.
Mischaracterizing what I'm saying to be some broad generalization about conspiracies doesn't change the fact that the behavior you are engaging in is truly sinister. You know you have no evidence to support the article you submitted and yet you continue anyways. This is the kind of breach of the social contract that MAGA and right-wingers use to excuse their toxic destruction of the ties which bind. And you are not different, although I think you could be better than you show yourself to be here.
I have drawn you as soyjack, therefore I am the victor:
I don't believe you published anything any human has read. Nor do I believe you tricked someone into marriage. You don't come off as smart, you come off as a bing bang character or the autistic kid at the grocery store telling me about spaceX.
Prove me wrong. Link something you wrote. I bet it woln't have anything to do with cybersecurity... Because I don't think you'll link anything, because you have no value.
Now why would I be bothered by what a person who isn't living in a fact based reality thinks about my career as an author?
What makes you think you are worthy of knowing anything about one as capable and important as myself, when you struggle with even the basic motion of knowing what evidence is and how to establish basic rigor around your thinking? You demonstrated repeatedly that you lack the competence to understand how fiction separates itself from reality already, so no amount of physical evidence is going to be compelling, at least until you fix your broken mind.
And honestly, I'm surprised you returned to this, but I guess that's what triggered people do. Your clearly wrong about the thing we're a taking about, so you try and make the conversation about something else.
Blah blah pomp, no proof you know shit about fuck. I've been skimming your bs for a while, no one else is going to read this far. Who are you talking to?
I'm getting bored but before I go I'll be nice because I feel for ya. You need to learn to condense. You spend paragraphs saying what could fit in a sentence. I'm sure you've seen Monty Python. If you're talking to someone and they seem increasingly annoyed as you explain details: GET TO THE POINT!
I gotz some shits to purple team. You let me know if you figure out some way to prove you know anything more than English. Skidiot.
You are, at the end of the day, a tragically broken person who clings to fantasy like it’s a safety blanket. You wrap yourself in these cheap little conspiracy scripts because it’s easier than doing the hard work of actually thinking. And that’s the core of it: it’s lazy. Weak. You don’t engage with facts, you don’t engage with rigor, you just pull the lever marked “mystery explanation” and out comes some recycled nonsense.
You know you’re in the wrong, but you persist anyway, because admitting that you’re just flailing at shadows would mean actually confronting the gaps in your own reasoning. And that takes effort. That takes discipline. Instead, you play make-believe and then act like you’ve scored points by announcing, for the fiftieth time, that “everything’s a cover-up.”
Stop spewing this drivel and maybe, just maybe, people wouldn’t have to waste their time walking you through the obvious. The only reason this conversation has gone this far is because you keep doubling down on nonsense instead of doing the grown-up thing: pausing, reflecting, and bringing some actual rigor to your thinking. Until then, you’ll stay exactly where you are now, stuck in the shallow end, paddling in circles, convinced you’ve discovered the ocean.
Just "pretending" to have an upper hand doesn't give you that.
Blah blah blah. Didn't skim anything to indicate you've read anything other than a thesaurus. Boring.
Prove you know something, anything relevant. Network architecture, firmware development, pentesting, anything. I'm losing interest faster than your wife Krieger.
You are the only one in this conversation owing of proof. And your "interest" is like your opinion and intellect: of precisely 0 value. Just a sealioning bit of effluent who shouldn't have an opinion in the first place. But because I'm so gracious, and willing to engage an inferior creature like yourself (which you should feel incredibly thankful for), here is a figure I'm working on for an update to a project (which was entirely my own theoretical contribution) that impacted the lives of almost 40 million people (and really, hundreds of millions more because of follow-on decisions based on my work), through my intellect alone.
Figure 1
Figure 2
You are just a sad, projective, broken mind. Because you obviously didn't seem to notice this was entirely performative; its goal was to put you on display. And thankfully, you did all of the convincing to our audience I needed you to. Now no one will believe you or take you seriously, and it was something you did to yourself.
The fact is you are just a little person who, because probably you don't have any real self worth, make the assumption others must feel as little and small as you do.
Didn't expect to goad you into doxing yourself. I'm genuinely bored though. You don't have any relevant knowledge, maybe an ag or bio degree if those images are from your own work lol.
Thanks for the chuckle🫡
There is one self evident clown here, and its been you the whole time. Go check the up/ downs for community sentiment on this thread.
Boring
Go back to 4chan, cunty.
Gross. No. Certain phrases are popular in certain communities. This guy has used a couple common on the chans. He may not be a btard but his writing style smells like it.