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It's "nothing much" if the alternative is the risk of all the issues you can get from HPV.
I know people that wouldn't be able to afford it. You get that the consequnce to paywalled healthcare is having sick people and not people just sucking it up and paying? The real alternative is of course allegedly already spelled out by Mr. Mangione but maybe a refresher is due?
I mean it's free if you're under 18, at least in my country. If you decide to get it as an adult, the government has decided that they don't really give a fuck because you probably already have at least one of the HPV strains they're trying to vaccinate for, and it's just not worth it to the taxpayer to vaccinate you anymore.
The thing about public healthcare is that you try to get maximum benefit for the public, with the resources you have available. Resources are not infinite, so not all treatments or vaccines can be free for everyone. They're still available and generally cheaper than in some place like the US.
If someone wants to Mangione the social minister of my country, that's not likely to improve the situation, she was a doctor for a decade and a half before getting into politics and was one of the sane voices during the COVID pandemic telling people to try vaccines and social distancing instead of whatever the ivermectin and bleach equivalents were here. She already got death threats for it, even delivered to her home.
nah this pitting of the individual against the collective has got to stop. The person that needs the vaccine deserves treatment, regardless of their ability to pay taxes. It's not "the society" they're taking away from, they're a part of society. It's society taking care of itself.
Also who "decides" to get HPV?? Framing illness as a personal failing is really awful
I do not believe that in any country using €'s that the issue is resource scarcity.
Huh? Any person who has to pay for the vaccine here DOES pay taxes. The people getting the vaccine for free do not. You have to be under 18 to get it for free.
And the health board has decided that vaccinating an adult for HPV doesn't have the same net benefit to society as vaccinating a young person, so it's more efficient to spend the money elsewhere.
Who said anything about anyone deciding to get HPV?
Some countries try not to borrow their budget into oblivion and thus not everything gets treated or vaccinated for free, free university education has limits per subject per year, etc.
Yes they are. The government can print money for a healthcare system just as easily as it does for banks.
You're American, aren't you?
My government can't just print more money, it can sell bonds. It then has to pay interest on those AND pay back the principal too. Most of the government's money comes from taxes.
The EU can print more money, but we are not in control of that.
We also don't manufacture vaccines and medicine, we have to buy them from other countries. So they don't exactly appear out of thin air either.
But I guess if you're American, it's easy to see resources as unlimited because your country's been plundering the rest of the world.
No I'm not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory
Countries using the € can't actually print money, only the European Central Bank can. So for any individual country, MMT doesn't apply, it's still mainstream economics as per the table in the article you linked. When we have a budget shortfall in Estonia, we sell bonds, cut costs or raise taxes. And our taxes are pretty fucking high already.
If you're a smaller nation with its own currency, i.e not the US or China and not part of the EU bloc, printing more currency just means it's worth less in other currencies and since you have to buy things (such as, again, vaccines and medicine) from other countries, you end up losing in purchasing power and you'll still have to decide what to buy and what not to buy. This is the "MMT in practice" section in your article where it mentions high inflation for pretty much all the countries that tried it, which are basically all latam countries. For SOME reason, no developed countries outside of the US do this at any scale, perhaps because nobody else's currency can take infinite printing without being devalued to fuck all.
No I'm not, I'm german. Which is the same diff in the context of the EU I get that. But I'd still maintain that the issue is likely the coddling of rich people and letting them spend the countries resources and laborpower how they wish instead of an actual shortage of vaccines.
Or tell me that it's all germany's fault, that's usually true as well.
Average salary in Germany is like 2x what it is here, of course your government can or should be able to afford a lot more than ours, purely based on the available tax base