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[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Third panel: Chrome busily writing all this down and sending it to corporate HQ.

(For those somehow still ignorant about it: 'Incognito mode' just prevents the browser from (permanently) saving browsing history, cookies, etc on your local computer. All the 'telemetry' -- all the Google spyware -- is still active. Both your ISP and Google know everything you're doing in Chrome 'incognito mode'. Or you could use Edge if you want Microsoft to be the one taking notes on your fetishes instead. If you actually want any privacy, you need to use a privacy-respecting browser -- Firefox at a minimum, or better yet something like LibreWolf -- and you need to use a paid VPN that has a good privacy record to prevent your ISP from spying on you.)

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

and you need to use a paid VPN

There's one possible disadvantage: accidentally selecting wrong profile. And suddenly I am looking at Monosodium Glutamate through university's VPN.

[–] nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not entirely: your ISP can see what sites you are visiting, but not what pages you are viewing (as long as it’s httpS://). If you don’t trust your ISP with this, you can use e.g. Quad9 DNS wit DoH or DoT.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Nope. Not me

"Grandpa goes around and does his business in public, cause grandpa isn't shady" lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qDr9axb7X7E&pp=ygUicmljayBhbmQgbW9ydHkga3JvbWJvcHVsb3MgbWljaGFlbA%3D%3D

(No but jokes aside I do use Firefox though)

[–] plutopos@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Said VPN is Mullvad btw

[–] terranoid@lemmy.cafe 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You don't need a paid VPN. Tor works. You could use the tor browser bundle.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, yes, TOR is also an option. And it does have the benefit of being free. But in my experience, it's much slower. You also end up with a somewhat random final TOR node that could be in any state or any country, which can cause websites to serve you a page in languages you don't understand ... or, sometimes, refuse to load at all. For example, if your exit node is in a US state with a porn ban, some porn sites will refuse to load anything useful for you. Sometimes there's workarounds for that part, but it's always quite slow. Maybe okay for images if you've got patience, but trying to download or stream videos (or gifs) through TOR is pretty painful in my experience.

With a (good) VPN, you can be protected from ISP spying while still having good, usable internet speed, where things like streaming videos are still practical. And you can (usually) choose where you want your VPN server to be located, so you can avoid those pesky geo-locking issues.

[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm looking into VPNs today actually. I'm considering Mullvad but I'm hesitant to buy anything that I've seen ads for, any good suggestions?

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've heard good things about Mullvad, never used it personally, though. It's super-cool that they accept envelopes of cash as anonymous payments (or at least they did last time I checked), so you can avoid a paper trail through any payment system if you want. Out of all the VPNs out there, Mullvad seems to be the most serious about preserving privacy and anonymity.

Used NordVPN for a while -- can definitely tell you that avoiding things you've seen ads for is a good idea. Nothing egregiously terrible about them (that I know of), but they were just as expensive as anyone else, but significantly slower and less reliable. And their Linux client was command line only. (Also, the unreliability was especially annoying because, for some reason, if the VPN went down while connected -- either because of VPN server issues or because of internet connection issues -- then it would block ALL internet traffic in or out of the machine, and nothing I ever tried could change that without restarting the entire computer. Any connection hiccup whatsoever meant that I'd have absolutely no internet connection anymore until I restarted the computer. That was a pain.)

When my subscription with Nord expired, I shopped around and ended up with PIA instead. PIA has had some bad press, but I like them a lot. They're one of many no-logging VPNs, but they're (as far as I know) the only one that has a public legal record of actually snubbing a US government warrant and sending investigators back empty handed. In theory, any no-logging VPN could/should do that, but it's cool that PIA actually has done that in the past, which kind of proves they're telling the truth about having no logs and no spying on you. Also, PIA has been a bit faster and much more reliable for me than Nord ever was. No problems and no complaints with PIA -- it has all worked very smoothly and reliably, just like it was supposed to. In the (very rare) occasion when I'm having an issue with their VPN server, opening the app and changing servers always fixes the problem quickly and easily. And the cherry on top is that they have a pretty good native GUI client for Linux, so I no longer need to memorize commands for connecting or disconnecting my VPN.

[–] silasmariner@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago

I've seen lots of adverts for Mullvad though. Conflicted.

[–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The best for privacy are definitely mullvad and proton vpn. Nordvpn is the best for p2p/pirating (...not that I condone that...), but not as solid privacy wise. I know that nord and proton have excellent Linux support, idk about mullvad in that respect though.

Honestly though, if you're just doing this for privacy concerns you might as well just use something like quad9 DNS – for free. VPNs are only really useful faking you're location or pirating. Not so much for privacy or security. Quad9 + librewolf is king there.

[–] xtrabonkers@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mullvad on Linux works great!

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

... except for it being built on electron so it's a 300MB install.

[–] xtrabonkers@lemmy.wtf 1 points 14 hours ago

Hmm yeah that doesn’t bother me. I guess you could technically avoid the GUI and control it via the terminal though ?

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Is there any way to prove that some service like that is actually trustworthy?

To the relatively-illiterate like me, theres no way to know if the VPN provider is just building a big file on you themselves

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 points 1 day ago

Is there any way to prove that some service like that is actually trustworthy?

This is the right question to ask and the ultimate reason why I don't use a commercial VPN service. Ultimately a commercial VPN is just moving the trust from the Internet service provider to the VPN provider (or in Tor's case to the exit node provider)

Personally I just block all ads across everything, select more privacy friendly software, avoid known privacy invading services where feasible and otherwise generally just enjoy not knowing the scope of adtracking because I never see the ads anyways!

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago

At some point, you've got to trust somebody.

Or, else, just don't connect to the internet at all.

[–] snowydroopz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Correct me if im wrong, but Zen (based on ff) with manual hardened privacy setting, ublock, and NextDNS for dns over https. Isnt that as good as librewolf?

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Lots of tracking can still be done.

Pick your poison for the situation, basically. If you really want to stop cross-site tracking for a browsing session, for example, use Cromite, which goes out of its way to actively spoof fingerprinting.

If you are really worried about surveillance for whatever reason, use a Mullad configs

If your ad profile is messed up, use an ad click spoofer instead of uBlock. If you’re concerned about security, use a browser inside a sandbox.

Zen with UBlock is just fine (I use it, sometimes), but there’s really no perfect solution. Keep a few browsers around, like tools for different situations.

[–] Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Zen is pretty much just the plain firefox hardening settings (check the privacy page on the e zen website). Librewolf and other hardened forks do a few more things than plain firefox (at the risk of breaking websites).

Of course even plain firefox is better than chrome, add ublock and a custom dns (nextdns or self hosted pihole/technitium) and you should be all good against most things.

Saying this as someone using zen with ublock and self hosted dns, so I might be biased 🙂

Some of the customisations librewolf does can be manually applied to ff/zen iirc

[–] snowydroopz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah im in the same boat, ublock, manual hardened settings and nextdns with self hosted SearXNG. I assume that would mean i dont need LibreWolf if I'm already doing all it does essentially