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A lot of us here hate AI because of how it was built: training data gathered without the creators' explicit, opt-in consent, data centers that negatively affect communities' access to clean water and energy, a technology design that is inherently prone to hallucinations, etc. At least, those are the main reasons why I hate it.

I think I might actually want to support an AI project if I thought it was being done right. Maybe we could get more people away from exploitative models if there was a non-exploitative alternative.

So what would it take to build AI ethically, in your opinion? And do you know of anyone trying to build AI without these issues?

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[–] cloudy1999@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I despise "AI" for quite a few reasons: It's built on theft, it empowers the fascists and oligarchs, its masters seek to dis-empower or replace human workers and creatives, its name is a deception as well as its primary use case, etc. This community doesn't need a rehash. I personally despise AI because I love the programming craft and I worry about a future where code is only generated, or worse: generated autonomously. Don't get me started on "AI first" companies. Fuck that.

"AI" is an anti-human technology.

Now, separate "AI" and all its awfulness from LLM as an algorithm/data structure. Can LLMs be ethical? I honestly don't know whether the good can be isolated from the bad. I started to brainstorm this out below, but the more I write, the less convinced I am that there's a middle way. I'm afraid that much of the perceived benefit of LLMs is derived from the universal theft of training data.

Dear reader, please consider the following a brainstorm only from a non-expert Anti who's trying in good faith to find a path.

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Here are some possible ethical use cases:

  1. Natural Language Interface - Like a Terminal Interface (TUI) or Graphical User Interface (GUI) or Command Line Interface (CLI), but instead discerns user intent from human language
  2. Pattern Recognition - Some of LLMs' legitimate accomplishments have been their ability to pore over decades of human work and detect patterns that otherwise would have been missed. Examples: Recent Erdős and Knuth news. LLMs are reasonable at code review and bug/security flaw detection
  3. Summarization/Search - LLMs and their precursors have been rehashing summaries of well-tread topics in training data for years. Crafting summaries for human consumption seems a 'ok' use case, with the understanding than hallucinations are unavoidable. Examples: API documentation, code examples, encyclopedia-like snippets

IMO, an ethical LLM solution might have attributes like these. Disclaimer: I'm not an expert so some of this may be nonsense ("brainstorm"):

  1. Public audit trail of training data
  2. Author consent, voluntary or paid, for participation in training data
  3. Harnesses should have a query-able manifest of valid operations. All user input should map to one of them
  4. Harnesses should strictly require human acknowledgement before executing an operation, and especially when interacting with external systems
  5. Human-first output - should encourage human learning and thought, not seek to replace it
  6. Signed output - this one is tricky. I don't know how to accomplish it. It would be great if LLM output could be signed in a way that excluded it from future training. The signature would also serve as notice to humans that the content is explicitly from an LLM. Web browsers could then have configurations to filter LLM content out so that users can consent to consume it. This solution may not be part of LLMs themselves
  7. Limited topic/training data - imagine an LLM that's only for recipes or only for a specific programming API or a specific new site. A smaller model should use fewer resources

I have high doubts that these qualities can be achieved due to complexity and cost. Such is the price of legitimacy.

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OK, that's all. I'm going back now to stewing in my disdain for "AI".

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[–] jaredwhite@humansare.social 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't agree summarization is an OK use case as a product. Maybe as a one off thing that a user explicitly requests of their own data within an office suite or whatever.

Meanwhile, I've been looking at the mincemeat "Google AI mode" makes of my essays, completely changing the meaning and giving people false conclusions which misrepresent my position. It's shockingly awful.

[–] ladybugs@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Yes, Google's AI features are horrifying for so many reasons!

I can't fathom all of the hallucinated information spread by Google alone, often to people who weren't even trying to use AI but got an AI overview at the top of their results anyway. Google AI mode is just creating more BS that most people will never notice because they won't check the original source of the information.

[–] cloudy1999@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, they cannot reason at all, despite clever marketing names like 'reasoning models'. A responsible operator must verify all output, something humans can't collectively be trusted to do. Even when verification is performed, we must ask ourselves if 'old-fashioned' thinking wouldn't have given a just as good or better result. IMO, it's hard to find anything positive about this technology.

Something related I've been thinking about: they're unable to produce truth or lies, only output.

[–] ladybugs@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

You hit the nail on the head. They produce output that mimics the appearance of a thoughtful response, but isn't that at all. LLMs do not actually think and do not have any concept of truth.

This is probably why things like ClickUp naming their AI tool "Brain" annoys me so much. It's designed partially as a way for organizations to get aggregated access to the major LLMs. So yeah, my former coworkers are getting LLM output from "Clickup Brain." What a marketing scam.

I've been wondering how people's attitudes toward LLMs would shift if society collectively changed the language we used about them to be more accurate. Maybe there wouldn't be so many people claiming "AI is great for research" and whatnot. Even then, though, I doubt people would fully get past the human tendency to trust confident-sounding language.