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Capitalism describes the division of labour and profits, not the purchasing of goods. YOU are not theCapital in capitalism unless you are working for the profits of the owner. The root word of Capitalism is Caput, meaning head or cattle. Capitalism's root definition is basically the ownership of cattle or chattel.
According to? The Soviets made it to space before we did, and China currently fabricates the vast majority of that technology. Technology isn't native to any economic structure.
But capital is. Both Russia and China are fighting for capital.
With the space race the capital was military research, propaganda and money.
In China it's just money military research and propaganda
No different than the United States where the capital is money, military research and propaganda
End of the day it's all just capital. How it's controlled and what the capital is changes.
But it all still the same thing being fought over.
I would argue that is a better semantic dispute, but still forced. You can interpret things as political capital, technological capital, or even militaristic capital.... But it becomes a little over done pretty quickly. There are better and more accurate ways to describe these claims than to claim everything is capital.
Claiming something is a semantic dispute by rote when being corrected is different than engaging in a reasonable semantic dispute.
Words do have meaning, and vernacular hasn't changed enough to completely alter the meaning of an entire economic system.....
Are you claiming that certain technologies can only be developed under capitalism? Or that semiconductor engineering would have never surpassed a certain stage without a particular economic system? What does any of that have to do with the division of labour and profits?
Over a long enough time scale, a different economic system would have pressures towards different goods and services.
Why there would be definitely some similarities. A modern economic system such as capitalism and communism would result in two very invastly different things.
While baseline technology would probably look, if not be the same, what is then used for and developed for would be different.
For example, it's more likely in a communist system that AI would be developed far more rapidly than we saw under capitalism.
While capitalism pushes towards something like ads and monetizing information. Communism would push towards the acceleration and simplification of outmoding the worker entirely.
For capitalism outmoding the worker is just a side effect of saving money. It's not the goal. Under communism, it would be the goal since it would create the best possible circumstances for people to be able to live a equal life given the highest benefit of the communal progression.
Different systems have different goals to argue that the same things would be created in the same order is just bad faith. Even arguing that things would be created exactly. The same is bad faith.
A quick jump through the history books and even a service level understanding of History can prove that. The concept of simultaneous invention shows as much. The printing press is a fantastic example.
Invented hundred years apart in two entirely different parts of the world. One barely used and quickly forgotten because their system of governance, economy and society did not see much of a point to it. While the other is what revolutionized the world.
Different systems invent different things because they have different goals. Even when they do invent, the same thing doesn't mean it'll be used or even valued and thus never improved on.
I don't think we're engaging in an angry argument? At least, I'm not upset. I think I'm just rebutting some of your claims and asking for clarification?
So anyone who disagrees with you is being negative or harmful? I don't really see how being disabled gives you the right to make inarguable inflammatory claims in a public forum.
You may want to talk to someone about that, but In my experience any prejudice you are self aware of are prejudices that can be avoided.
You too.