four. the ! is unnecessary. how many actions are there to save and quit in other editors? ctrl, s, ctrl, w is four. move to file, click, move to save, click, move to ×, click is six.

and that's before we replace the wq with x.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If we count the modifier keys:

Vim: esc, shift+:, w, q, Enter

Emacs: ctrl-s, crtl+x ctrl+c, or use the menu options

I use both, but find Emacs much quicker, though vim is easier to learn, though Emacs is easier while you're learning

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i've never had the time to get into emacs, would love to though.

also, some layouts have the : on its own key, and if you include the esc in vim commands you're not using vim correctly :)

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

ESC

Surely you're editing right before exiting, why else would you be saving?

[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

not necessarily. you could also have done a yank-paste, or a repeated action, or had a command output into the buffer.

it's a good habit to always leave the editor in normal mode between actions, because that makes for a cleaner edit history with smaller changesets in the undo tree.

...vim is sort of like driving stick in that way.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, having used both, my preference is for Emacs, which also comes with the bonus of menu driven ways of doing most things when you've been away long enough to have forgotten a keyboard shortcut. I have always needed a cheat sheet handy when away from vim for a few months

[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i've moved to helix, partly to stop myself tinkering and partly because the reversed command model is just easier. plus it has popup helpers.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

There's no arguing with taste and preference :)