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Disclaimer: This strategy takes decades or centuries to have any effect.
Disclaimer: this is how long progress takes. People used to plant trees knowing they would never get to enjoy their shade.
Yeah and how far has that gotten us? Why are we still dealing with issues and acting like they're solved? Especially now, this is not viable. We'll kill the earth before we manage to fix anything.
We will if we keep expecting the “one weird trick”
What it will take is coordinated action, applied consistently, not this “I’ll fix everything immediately” bullshit people keep falling for.
if the progress can be so easily undone by fascists, as we’re seeing right now all over the world, then maybe this strategy is not adequate, no?
if you need a victory every time to maintain a steady progress, and they need a victory once to undo it all, you’re playing a game you’re almost certain of losing.
Yep, welcome to the game. Fascists always have the advantage because it's exponentially easier to destroy than it is to meaningfully build.
So, are you proposing some other game, or just leaving the table?
They don't.
What do you suggest?
I had a boss from russia who had a quote on the wall. Something like, yeah America's democracy sucks, but it's the best government out there.
It was probably this quote, which is less about America specifically and more about democracy in general:
It probably was based on that, but it was more like a poem. This was like 15-20 years ago.
It's definitely not though. Like not even close.
we need a to organize towards a revolution, and a new system
this is easier said than done, of course. i'm not gonna deny that. and i don't know exactly what is to be done, precisely, i am not knowledgeable and experienced enough to answer that. but one thing is certain, liberal democracy brought us into fasicsm, it's not gonna get us out of it.
You're right. We need mass protests, civil disobedience, direct action, mutual aid, and preparation for a revolution.
I thought America was heading in that direction in 2024 with all of those student encampments to protest the genocide in Gaza. That could have been the beginning of something big. But people don't really care about Gaza anymore, because they have bigger problems at home, what with ICE and all that. Americans can't really do Gaza anymore, they're stuck doing No Kings instead. Because of all the abstainers in the 2024 election who didn't abstain in 2020, it's now harder for Americans to do direct action and start a revolution.
You're right. It could have.
Until Joe Biden told them all to go fuck themselves.
And hoards of liberals defended him for it.
Reactionary blame mindset vs progressive solutions mindset.
Going forward, I think we need to stick together and protect each other to limit the influence of ICE. The first priority is survival and community defence until the Nazis are removed from power. The US midterms are in 5 months, and if they go well, the senate and house will be stocked with progressives who are more interested in opposing Trump than appealing to corporate donors. That's something Americans can have an impact on right now by volunteering in primary campaigns. If the house and senate are full of progressives, then Trump's powers will be limited. They can use the bureaucracy to slow him down.
Then, if the fascists are slowed down, it will be safer for immigrants and queer people to hit the streets with us and protest against all of these injustices. And we can use that momentum to get more people into mutual aid networks and engaged in helping progressives like Mamdani take the reigns of government. Those mutual aid networks will be useful later. The progressive electoral movements will help people like AOC win the 2028 primaries. If we get the right person into the D nomination, then Trump's third term bid is fucked and he can go die in a mcdonalds parking lot of a cholesterol attack.
If that progressive wins, or if a moderate wins, then it will be time to capture that anger left over from the R's term and tell people the pot is still scorching hot, we still have work to do. Get some direct action done, join those aid networks, practice resisting the cops and the capitalists in civil disobedience actions. And when it all hits critical mass, those networks will be the supply lines of the armed revolution. We can hit the reigns of capital with deadly force and dismantle the state apparatus, turning the means of production over to the communities and the unions. That moment is a decade or two away in the very best case scenario. We need to protect our people until then. We need to get more workers into unions and more socialists into government, so that we have the structure to run the economy without the cops or the IRS or the rest of the state.
By "stick together" do you mean liberals continue to elect strike blocking, genocide supporting trash in the primaries and people like me being told to shut the fuck up and vote for them in the general?
May the next fuck around generation appreciate our sacrifice.
It's only part of a strategy, but yes, it takes time. I think we might see what happens when general discontent of the public becomes severe enough that they develop class consciousness. Well, those of us who survive the misery will get to see it.
ftfy..
And in protest, you've let the other guy win. Now you have your very own Stasi in the streets and your tax dollars are being spent on bombing schools and celebratory UFC fights. You... sure showed them, haven't you.
Ahh the neoliberal "its the voters who are the problem" fever dream, where Democrats can never fail, they can only be failed by voters.
A fever dream which has resulted in the Democratic party having a lower approval rating than Trump. Surely defending Democrats as an institution and blaming voters will gather more people to your coalition and help stop Trump.
You gotta get it through your head homie. You blaming voters for the failures of the Democrats: Its why Trump won in both 16 and 24. You're the problem if you take issue with how voters vote.
"VOTING IS SO IMPORTANT"
"So you have to vote how I tell you."
"Also everything is your fault, we've done nothing wrong."
Fuckin dems lol.
Whatever soothes your conscience.
Kinda wild to suggest some random nobody on lemmy has any reason to feel guilty. Do you think Biden feels any guilt for going around congress twice to ship weapons to Israel? I doubt it.
I've never shipped a single bomb in my life. Hell I've never even slapped somebody.
If Joe Biden can sleep at night then I sure as hell can.
Imagine basing your system of morality on whether or not some other person might feel guilty about a thing.
Wow, dude, talk about ideals.
Who was talking about my entire system of morality?
I just don't feel guilty when I don't vote for genocide supporters. Pretty simple stuff.
We needed a coalition of voters to stop Trump. Excusing Dems and blaming voters destroys our ability to build that coalition. People who do that are wreckers. So stop being a wrecker. If you have this opinion and want to blame voters, fine, but keep it entirely to yourself.
You do know that it's possible to do both, right? Putting the blame on third party voters does not absolve the Democratic party, and it's weird that people keep presenting it that way.
Except that's exactly what it ends up doing.
I think the people who say they're part of the coalition of voters, but also say not to vote, are the wreckers.
The effect of an individual vote is indistinguishable from it not having any effect at all.
The infinitesimal power of the vote.